Macmillan Holdings, LLC. Grammar Girl, Grammar Girl's, QDnow, and Quick and Dirty Tips are all trademarks of Macmillan Holdings, LLC. MIKE123 grammar WRITER AND OBSERVER Here is a thought! So, I am going to assume both Writer and Observer are not children (meaning over the age of 13 years old, "earth years"). Anyway, at the end of the day, maybe adults shouldn't be the people trying to alter grammar. Grammar is actually implemented by children. It is children who instinctively provide a pidgin (a language) with a creole (grammar) (i.e. they “creolize” it). Adults left alone, will not implement a creole on a pidgin. I know this thought seems weird, but I can refer you to a scholarly article that supports it. Therefore, maybe you both should calm down and realize that a child does better, what you are attempting to do. ;) Take Care http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62896#Comments http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62896#Comments Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:42:49 GMT Adam grammar For whom does it matter? Who cares? -- Sorry, I could not resist. May I have another can can? http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62768#Comments http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62768#Comments Sun, 09 Jun 2013 05:39:14 GMT Andrew grammar "Whom/Who should I ask for?" Which one is correct? I am very frustrated at not being able to understand this. http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62679#Comments http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62679#Comments Fri, 07 Jun 2013 03:00:42 GMT Observer grammar Dear WRITER... Just check your postings of 4/25/13 and 5/23/13 and you will see how great your are! For your information, I do not seek nor do I need anyone's approval... Further, my reply, not as ridiculous as yours, was intended to rattle you and to drive YOU - not me - into the outer space... Speaking of which, my extraterrestrial contributions were as follow: 1) the development and implementation of the "estheseometer" and 2) the apparatus that transforms liquid waste into potable water in a space capsule, station... I have only been on Planet Earth - all the continents and nearly 100 countries. As for yours, it can only be the Planet of the Apes. In terms of grammar, I learned the "modifiers" and their application in elementary school... Additionally, when discussing some of these issues with a colleague at Oxford, he pointed out that the "Writer" basically deals with who/whom, and that is why he cannot figure out the "case function" of (students, ) in the challenge posted by the Grammarian a while ago. He also posed the following question: Who is he kidding? Signing off on Planet Earth... http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62558#Comments http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62558#Comments Mon, 03 Jun 2013 20:11:45 GMT Josuee grammar That's such a good advice, but what about the preposition "to" I was taught that in some cases we have to use "to whom", I never use it, thou. By the way, I don't know if it is correct saying "Who likes me" or "Whom likes me" http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62423#Comments http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62423#Comments Thu, 30 May 2013 17:10:59 GMT real estate mississauga grammar our aim is to provide exceptional real estate service,we make sure every client is completely satisfied. Wether you are bying or selling a home, condominium, or a business in mississauga, Aamir Yaqoob can get the deal done. We are proudly the experts in mississauga real estate http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62381#Comments http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62381#Comments Wed, 29 May 2013 14:26:25 GMT Writer, editor, teacher grammar Fair Readers, I leave it to you: In my post, did I ever use those two word strings, "othe" and "You do no not," that Observer mentioned in his bloviating rant? Sometimes I wonder which planet he resides on. Observer, you not only need to go back to school to learn grammar, you also need to go back to school to learn how to read and write. Oh, and if you actually read my posts, you will see that I do offer solutions. I answer questions and explain my answers with relevant information—not the irrelevant, extraneous, useless, and silly information that you disgorge. As for getting me going, do not flatter yourself. http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62356#Comments http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62356#Comments Tue, 28 May 2013 19:11:30 GMT Observer grammar Writer, you can't even spell - "othe" instead of other. What kind of syntax is "You do no not...?" Maybe it is your own kind of poetic licence... Notice that I wrote licence instead of license because it came from "licentia" the Latin word like "innocentia..." Some attic lexicographer like you decided to change the s to c. Further, I am just trying to imitate you who really offer not solutions... I love to get you going... Before using false reasoning, check your own stupidity... http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62354#Comments http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62354#Comments Tue, 28 May 2013 18:16:53 GMT Writer, editor, teacher grammar Observer, you are an idiot. You said, and I quote: "...the relative pronoun "that" is modifying a verb instead of a noun." Go back to school and learn some grammar. Pronouns do not modify verbs, adverbs modify verbs. Pronouns do not modify nouns, adjectives modify nouns. Modifiers do not go "next to the word(s) they modify"; they go next to the closest appropriate word(s) they modify. Phrases and clauses can separate a pronoun from the noun it refers to (pronoun antecedent). A clause or phrase can separate a modifier from the word it modifies. In any event, "that" is not a standalone pronoun, as you indicate; rather, "that I would like to thank today" is an adjective clause that describes "people." Oh, and I never said that "there are" was a problem. I just said that there are better ways to construct a sentence than beginning it with an expletive construction. http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62348#Comments http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62348#Comments Tue, 28 May 2013 14:49:18 GMT Observer grammar Amy, your message is unclear because you have a misplaced modifier. In "There are many people whom I love that I would like to thank today" the relative pronoun "that" is modifying a verb instead of a noun. Modifiers, remember, go next to the word (s) they modify. As a result, a compound sentence and the correct placement of the modifier will make your message clear and concise: "There are many people whom I love and (I) would like to thank today." Additionally, the problem with your sentence is not with "there are..." . French uses "il y a" and many other languages do the same... http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62323#Comments http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx?commentid=62323#Comments Sun, 26 May 2013 21:09:28 GMT Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:42:49 GMT http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx feedback@quickanddirtytips.com (Managing Editor) feedback@quickanddirtytips.com (Webmaster) en-us