Episode Transcript

Although Versus While
Episode 43: March 02, 2007

 

 

 

Grammar Girl here.

Podcast Peer Awards WinnerToday's topic is although versus while.

I often have to tell people that their pet peeves aren't actually hard-and-fast grammar rules. I have to tell people that it's OK to split infinitives, and that in some cases it's fine to end sentences with a preposition or use the word between when they are choosing among more than two items.

I know it's upsetting to find out that your nearest and dearest beliefs are wrong, so this week, I'm going to talk about my own mistaken pet peeve: it bugs me to no end when people use while to mean although, but no matter how hard I looked I couldn't convince myself that I was right. The horror!

You see, I think although means “in spite of the fact that,” as in “Although Sir Fragalot was tall, Squiggly and the aardvark considered him an equal.” Although is what's called a concessive conjunction, meaning that it is used to express a concession. On the other hand, I think that while should be reserved to mean “at the same time,” as in “While Squiggly gathered wood, aardvark hid the marimbas.”

At first I was sure I was right because in his book Usage and Abusage Eric Partridge said that “'while' for ‘although’ is a perverted use of the correct sense of ‘while,’ which properly means 'at the same time.'”

Ha!

But, then I discovered that Fowler's Modern English Usage (which I frequently rely on and almost always agree with) said it is normal and acceptable to use “while” to mean "although." Fowler even called Partidge's comment “indefensible.” It's a grammar rumble, people.

I decided to go over their heads and see what the Oxford English Dictionary has to say, and they back up Fowler with an entry saying while can mean “although.” Two additional dictionaries concurred. I was thwarted, but I'd given it a good shot.

One reason I'm telling you this story is that I want you to know that I go to this much trouble to validate all of your pet peeves too, but sometimes it isn't possible.

My only small vindication is that there are sentences where it is confusing to use while to mean “although,” and then it isn't allowed. For example, if you said, “While Squiggly is yellow, aarvdark is blue,” people wouldn't know whether you were contrasting their colors or saying that aardvark is only blue when Squiggly is yellow. In cases like that, you have to use although.

So, moving forward, I know that I will continue to reserve while for times when I mean “at the same time”--old habits are hard to break—but I will now refrain from striking out while every time I come across it in a document. I wonder if Mr. Manners will want me to send apology cards to all the writers I terrorized about this over the years. I hope not!

Next, I have two related bonus facts for you!

First, there isn't any difference between although and though when they are being used as we discussed. Though is a less formal version of although, but it's in such common use that it's OK to use it in formal writing too.

Second, while and whilst both mean the same thing. Although whilst is still used in British English, it is considered archaic in American English.* It's just one of those quirks of language that whilst survived in Britain but perished in America.

That's all.

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* The situation is similar for among versus amongst. Amongst is more common in British English and is considered old-fashioned or archaic in American English.

 

 

 


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Kristin Says:
3/20/2008 2:23:12 AM
Grammar Girl: If it really makes you gnash your teeth together when you see "while" in place of "although," consider this sentence: "While I don't like to see typos, I understand that they happen." This sentence could easily be rewritten with "while's" meaning, "at the same time." e.g., "I don't like to see typos; at the same time, I understand that they happen." I hear you, though. When people don't use grammar the same way I do, it makes me want to strike out at them verbally. I can't help it; I'm a grammar snob.
Aideen O'Brien Says:
2/18/2008 9:05:29 PM
I agree that whilst is not used in the US and so while can be used anywhere that a British person uses whilst. However, it does not follow that whilst can be used anywhere that while can be used. For example, I recently read a sign in a store which detailed a special offer saying "whilst stocks last". That seemed completely incorrect to me. I looked around on the internet, and the following is the best definition of the correct usage of whilst that I've seen: As a rule of thumb, whilst is used when the verb that follows is a form of 'to be', as in "whilst I'm ... ", "whilst he was". I would take it further though and say that it can be applied anywhere where you are attributing the word to a person or active action e.g. "whilst I agree with x, I don't agree with y", "can you wait here whilst I go to buy the tickets". "Whilst stocks last" is describing a condition, not an action/person, which is why I disagree with its use.
Bippy Says:
1/24/2008 11:00:05 PM
How about the "aarvdark" typo? I think I like to say it better that way :) (up there with the paragraph starting "My only vindication...").
bekky Says:
8/22/2007 9:34:59 PM
I am addicted to this website. As a freelance writer and copywriter I cannot afford to make mistakes; and everyone needs a little bootcamp once in a while. Keep up the good work!

Bekky

Julie Says:
6/28/2007 5:28:11 PM
Norm -- I think this is the perfect answer. For some reason, when I read "gonna" as dialogue in a screenplay, it doesn't even register -- but "alright" still rings those bells.
Norm Says:
6/28/2007 1:13:41 AM
When I was growing up, 'alright' was never all right, but I constantly remind mysself that grammar and spelling rules end up being descriptive rather than prescriptive, whether we pedants like it or not.
Julie Says:
6/28/2007 12:01:06 AM
What is your opinion on the use of "alright"? I read a fair number of motion picture screenplays in the course of a week, and this usage is universal. Is it always wrong, or acceptable modern usage? I see that you "Check Spelling" function has not earmarked the word for correction...
jay Says:
6/12/2007 12:53:08 AM
It turns out I don't know how to properly post links here - sorry about the sloppy looking post. :-/
jay Says:
6/12/2007 12:50:49 AM
Thank you for putting my fears to rest! A friend directed me to this article in response to one of my http://benfield.org/jay/archives/2007/06/911-grammar-emergency.php">recent posts on this topic.

This appears to be more of a religious debate than anything else. Although in this case, it seems that everyone agrees that while as although is bad (please notice the gratuitous use of although).

I thoroughly enjoy using while in place of although - as much as any man could enjoy violating a style guide or irritating the literary elite.

While I am an only child, it's not just about being irritating. Really. While just seems so much more fluid than although.

It's also much more efficient using one less syllable than its counterpart. That's a syllable that could likely be better used elsewhere.

I enjoy whilst too, but being a few generations removed from my English roots I don't know that I can pull it off. :-)

At least I'm not on the irregardless bandwagon! That's just silly.

aardvark Says:
6/10/2007 6:59:18 PM
Hi Timbre, Please go to http://cache.libsyn.com/absolutescience/grammar059_ellipsis.mp3 to listen to Grammar Girl's pod cast on ellipses. Thanks for the suggestion.
John Says:
4/20/2007 6:32:11 PM
"whilst" is not used much in the US. No one knows why.

But "whilst" and "while" are indeed synonymous.

terry dilda Says:
4/16/2007 7:42:45 PM
thanks grammer girl your the graetest
girl Says:
4/14/2007 1:59:56 PM
oh, i see you are a great specialist) good 4 you)
keith Says:
4/4/2007 12:58:25 PM
can you please tell me a way of telling when I should use "as" or "has".
Thanks
Valerie Payne Says:
3/27/2007 4:54:51 PM
How can I ask a question?
George Says:
3/23/2007 8:38:28 PM
I read your discussion about "while" and "although". Personally I think that was pretty obvious. But I was slightly surprised that you did not considre "whilst", which can (depending on context) be used to mean either "while" or "although" according to most people's usage. Personally I strongly object to "whilst" being used to mean "while", and would only used it to mean "although". I have also had an American ask me what "whilst" was in the past. Yes, I speak the Queen's English, not that new-fangled Amercian variety. Do Americans use "whilst"?
Norleda Says:
3/23/2007 7:33:26 PM
While Cathy adores a minuet, the Ballet Russe, and a crepe suzette, Our Patty loves to rock and roll-- a hot dog makes her lose control-- What a wild duet!
Grammar Girl Says:
3/8/2007 5:14:38 AM
I recently covered "lay" versus "lie," but I haven't covered "done" versus "finished" yet. (It is on the topic list.)
Grammar Girl Says:
3/8/2007 5:12:40 AM
That's not even close to how I imagine Squiggly! My Squiggly is yellow (and much cuter). :-)
Karl Pelletier Says:
3/8/2007 1:36:54 AM
AM Squiggy lives! ;-)
http://www.squiggyclassic.org/2007brochure.pdf
Alan Says:
3/8/2007 1:32:32 AM
Do you have any comments on the meanings of lay versus lie, and done versus finished, their correct use is often confusing to me.
jo Says:
3/7/2007 11:20:43 PM
I just had one of those earth-shaking grammar moments, GG! I followed a link in one of your replies, which included the word "alright" in its description of a paper it was ridiculing. I thought, "Oh! that is SO wrong! You shouldn't be ragging on others' mistakes while (not 'whilst' :P) making your own." But taking your lead, I decided to check myself, just on the slightest chance (NO, IT COULDN'T BE!) that I was mistaken on this issue. I found out that what I've been teaching my high-schoolers for the past, um, ten years isn't entirely correct. Thanks!
Liz Says:
3/7/2007 6:27:43 AM
I have a question about IF vs. WHETHER. Is there a significant difference, or reasons why one or the other should be used? For example:

I'm not sure if those are real. She refused to tell me whether she'd gone through with it.

What do you think?
Norm Says:
3/7/2007 3:45:53 AM
Sorry Grammar Girl, but you shouldn't say "The Aardvark is only blue when the ...is red": you should say,"The Aardvark is blue only when the....."

Cheers

Norm

umich Says:
3/7/2007 12:00:00 AM
You should check out "Left Behind at the Fishbowl," a blog that goes through student papers and makes funny comments on them Left Behind at the Fishbowl
Timbre Says:
3/6/2007 4:27:08 PM
Whenever I'm feeling anxious, I plug into a soothing Grammar Girl podcast and I instantly relax. Thanks for the therapy!

I have a question about ellipsis and wonder if you could elaborate about their usage. I'm completely addicted to misusing them...especially in casual emails, and I was hoping you might reign me in a bit.

Thanks again! -----

Matthew Says:
3/6/2007 12:55:29 AM
I'm a grammar nerd, too. I got my first copy of "The Elements of Style" at age ten! Keep up the good work, and it's good to know there are others out there.
LeeB Says:
3/5/2007 8:29:48 PM
x
Allison Says:
3/5/2007 7:29:29 PM
You rock, Grammar Girl! I'm a copywriter and Keeper of the Style Guide at my company (I'm also a fiction writer), and I appreciate the way you present grammar as an exploration of a living language rather than as a kind of language obituary. Very cool. Congrats on all your recent publicity.
SB Says:
3/4/2007 11:37:44 PM
Dear GG, I sympathize with your pet peeve; at the same time, I believe it is a moot point. As you can see in the preceding sentence, “at the same time” (the long version of “while”) is interchangeable with “although”.

The sentence also illustrates one of my pet peeves: the increasingly common bastard-phrase of “mute point”. When I use “moot point” in conversation, people tend to look at me as though I’m having trouble enunciating.

But then, there are probably some true purists out there who are frustrated with me because I use “moot point” to refer to an argument not worth making, whereas its original reference was to an argument still open to debate.

Vinny from Philly Says:
3/4/2007 1:23:04 PM
I loved that one, I often catch myself in while/although confusion. I usually recast rather than fight with myself.

I also like to use whilst for a touch of drama, or whimsy.

You're the best,

Vinny

PS - I have a big crush on you :)
Grammar Girl Says:
3/3/2007 6:12:18 PM
Good point! Now instead of always crossing out "while" and replacing it with "although" I will analyze the sentence, and see if I can justify the edit by noting confusion in the sentence.
karlfornes Says:
3/3/2007 6:05:00 PM
I share the "while"/"although" pet peeve, but, despite Fowler and the OED, I'm gonna go ahead and hang on to it.

Your example--"While Squiggly is yellow, aarvdark is blue."--can be taken to its logical conclusion and, thus, all uses of "while" for "although" become ambiguous.

Let's try an experiment. Read the following sentences with the "at the same time as" and "despite the fact that" ambiguity in the back of your mind:

"While Squiggly was in the back yard, aardvark was in the den."

"While Squiggly ate cherries, aardvark ate grapes."

"While Squiggly argued for welfare reform, aardvark disagreed."

“While Sir Fragalot was tall, Squiggly and the aardvark considered him an equal.” (Once Sir Fragalot became short, Squiggly and aardvark looked down on him.)

It seems to me that "while and "although" can be interchangeable only when the subject of both clauses is the same.

"While I share your 'while'/'although' pet peeve, I'm not so willing to let it go." I can live with that.

Hey. I'm no raging stickler; I'm okay with ending sentences with prepositions, splitting infinitives, and opening sentence with coordinating conjunctions. This one, though, I'm gonna hang onto.

:IHateToast Says:
3/3/2007 5:42:36 AM
funny about while and whilst. canadian, u.s., and irish english are still spoken with the old rhotic (for rho) hard r sound , but u.k. english moved on. because australia was colonised after the shift, they, too, are without the hard r. i like to call that e-rhotic. now can you tell us about the fanny/fanny shift?
Bernadette Fogarty Says:
3/2/2007 11:33:27 PM
I read about Mignon this morning in my local newspaper 'The Melbourne Age'. I am so excited to find someone who shares my surname and my love of correct grammar. We must be related!!
Mark Says:
3/2/2007 5:24:14 PM
I found out that I was wrong recently as well. I had just got my boss to stop using *till* for *til*. (I still don;t have a quote/apostrophe key.) After seeing the former on a CD cover, I checked three online dictionaries and they all validated the usage.
Grammar Girl Says:
3/2/2007 4:06:56 PM
I usually write the transcripts late at night and sometime (well, always) have typos, but I do have a copy editor who reviews everything before it goes out. Sometimes he misses things too though. If you point out a specific typo, I'm always happy to fix it.

You can see in the transcript about proofreading that I confess it is not my strength and recommend having more than two people review copy if it's possible.

Richard Holmes Says:
3/2/2007 3:49:23 PM
There are often typos in the newsletter sections of your emails; is there a transmission problem, or are you lax in your proof reading--oh, I'm sure not.

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