Episode Transcript

Can Versus May
Episode 145: November 21, 2008

Grammar Girl here.

Today's topic is “can” versus “may.”

A listener named Donna says that after familiarizing herself with the definitions and usages of “can” and “may,” she still isn't sure which word to use in this sentence: “May we expect you tomorrow?” or “Can we expect you tomorrow?”

That's a tough one! Guest-writer Bonnie Trenga, writes,

Ability or Permission?

Once upon a time in the land of strict grammar rules, “can” denoted physical or mental ability and “may” denoted permission or authorization (1). It wasn't OK to use “can” if you were talking about permission. You could hear citizens of this land saying, “May I accompany you to the ball, Miss Fuzzywink?” and “Why of course you may, my dear.” This young lady perhaps would ask her suitor about his dancing ability: “Can you do the cha-cha?” and he would answer that he did have the ability: “Why of course I can, Miss Fuzzywink.”

“Can” Instead of Traditional “May”

Nowadays, the rules aren’t so cut and dried. Since the second half of the 19th century, “can” has been used in informal contexts to denote permission (2). You’ve probably heard someone ask, “Can I go to the party?” If we lived in strict-grammar land, the authorities would complain about this usage, but these days it is acceptable to use “can” in this manner if you’re speaking informally (3). If you’re a teacher of young children, you probably often hear “Can I go to the bathroom?” Parents probably hear their children whining, “Can I have a cell phone?” So are the kids to blame for using “can” instead of “may”? Well, they just repeat what grown-ups say, and grown-ups are apparently moving away from the sometimes prissy-sounding “may.”

“May” Is OK

Now, “may” does have its rare place. If formality and politeness are of utmost importance, you should use “may” to denote permission. So it would be better to say to the waiter at a fancy restaurant, “May I have more water, please?” than “Can I have more water, please?” If you’ve just knocked on a door, you should probably say, “May I come in?”

“Mayn’t” Isn’t OK

Before we answer Donna’s question, let’s talk about denying permission: No, you may not turn off your listening device just yet. It’s possible to say the obscure contraction “mayn’t,” but I wouldn’t recommend it. That’s why one authority states that “educated people” typically say, “Can’t I?” instead of “Mayn’t I?” or “May I not?” (1). So if we were in the land of strict grammar rules, we might hear Miss Fuzzywink asking her governess, “But why can’t I go to the ball?” Even she probably wouldn’t say, “Why mayn’t I?” Microsoft Word doesn’t even recognize “mayn’t” as a word. So “mayn’t” will probably be obsolete soon, if it isn’t already.

Which One?

Now we can ponder Donna’s question about “Can or may we expect you tomorrow?” We need to ask ourselves if the speaker is talking about ability or permission. I don’t think it’s talking about permission: “Are we allowed to expect you tomorrow?” No.

Neither does it seem to be talking about ability: “Are we mentally able to expect you tomorrow?” No.

I’ve ruminated on it for a while and I have a feeling that the word “might” would be better: “Might we expect you tomorrow?” Although this sentence is somewhat formal, I’m uncertain of the context. This opens up a whole avenue of discussion. Luckily, we’ve already covered the difference between “may” and “might.” Just go to http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/may-might.aspx to hear all about it.

In the meantime, if we want to ask, “Are you coming tomorrow?” perhaps we should just say it that way. If I were forced to choose between “can” and “may,” I think I would say, “Can we expect you tomorrow?”

Summary

You may now discuss this conundrum among yourselves. You have my permission. Don’t worry, though, if you can’t figure it out. I don’t have the ability either. In short, it’s OK to use “can” instead of “may” if you’re speaking informally, but if you’re being formal or polite, use “may” when you’re speaking about authorization.

Administrative

This podcast was written by Bonnie Trenga, author of The Curious Case of the Misplaced Modifier, who blogs at sentencesleuth.blogspot.com, and I'm Mignon Fogarty, the author of the paperback book Grammar Girl's Quick and Dirty Tips for Better Writing.

Finally, I have a couple of things to thank you for! First, thank you for voting Grammar Girl the best education podcast of 2008 in the Podcast Awards. I'm truly honored. Second, thank you for writing all your pet peeves in the comments section two weeks ago. I'm going through them and thinking about the best way to choose a winner.

That's all. Thanks for listening.

References

1. Garner, B. Garner's Modern English Usage. Oxford: Oxford University Press. 2003, p. 124.

2. Burchfield, R. W, ed. The New Fowler’s Modern English Usage. Third edition. New York: Oxford, 1996, p. 126.

3. American Heritage Guide to Contemporary Usage and Style. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2005, p. 74.


Comments (9) for Can Versus May |  Subscribe to Comment

Nico Says:
7/9/2009 9:51:14 AM
It's quite funny that in German, there's just the same problem with "können" (can) vs. "dürfen" (may) although here are more people who stick with "may". When I was at school and asked my teacher wether I _can_ go to the bathroom, there were two possibilities. The nice teachers answered: "I don't know wether you can, but you may", whereas the evil ones said: "Oh, I think so", and countinued their lessons. BTW: I, as a foreigner, think that it should be: "May we expect you ...", because in a more complicated and formal way, it'd mean: "Do you give us the permission to expect you ..."
Daniel Poppet Says:
7/9/2009 4:26:35 AM
It's bad advice like this that makes it so difficult for good writers to prevent incompetent editors from butchering their work with stupid, uneducated grammar changes. You are WRONG! Just because the majority of the population once believed the world was flat did not make it true. Do you have an English degree, a communications degree, or any degree at all? Have you ever edited for ANY major publisher, written for ANY major magazine, newspaper, or even a company newsletter? Grammar Girl-ha! They should call you Giggle Girl because your advice/column is a joke!
Peter Headland Says:
12/17/2008 7:39:57 PM
"May we expect you..." is (was) idiomatic. Clearly permission is being sought, however silly that may seem - it's a social nicety akin to "will you permit me the pleasure of this dance?"
Frank Miller Says:
12/9/2008 10:21:22 PM
Why is this [may v. can] such a problem in English? I mean, there is no difference between such verbs in Spanish, Latin, and Portuguese (there could be more languages, too). There is usually just one way of stating it.
Jake Says:
12/4/2008 4:58:37 PM
The answer that Bonnie Trenga gives, "Might we expect you tomorrow?" makes little sense, the answer being "You might expect me tomorrow." Nor does "shall" work. The only appropriate word that I can think of is "should," because the answerer is neither assessing the likelihood of our expecting him tomorrow nor telling us whether or not we will expect him tomorrow. He is telling us whether or not we should wait for him, depending on whether or not he is expecting to show.
Mike Says:
12/2/2008 1:22:48 AM
My thought is that "Shall we expect you tomorrow?" would be the correct phrase. This, however, brings up the question about the word "shall" disappearing from common use in favour of "will". Does "Will we expect you tomorrow?" sound correct?
Ben Says:
11/27/2008 4:37:34 PM
"Should we expect you tomorrow?" Or "Shall we expect you tomorrow?"
Dracosuave Says:
11/25/2008 3:00:01 AM
'Could we expect you tomorrow?'
Bridger Bell Says:
11/23/2008 11:40:15 PM
I think the best way to use the questioner's construction is: "should we expect you tomorrow?"

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