Episode Transcript

When to Use a Comma with “Too”
Episode 157: February 13, 2009

Grammar Girl here.

Today guest-writer Bonnie Trenga is going to tell us how one little comma can change the meaning of a sentence.

Should we write, “He has the ball too” with no comma or “He has the ball, too”? Well, you can write the sentence either way. It’s up to you as the writer. A comma before the “too” gives the sentence just a slightly different meaning than the sentence without one.

The Difference a Comma Makes

The word “too” is an adverb that indicates “also” or “in addition.” It most often shows up in the middle or at the end of a sentence. Most of the time you probably won't use a comma with “too” because your sentences will be chugging along without needing a pause. So you could say, “I too like reading mysteries” or “I like reading mysteries too.” If, on the other hand, you want to emphasize an abrupt change of thought (1), you do use commas, which, among other things, are used to indicate pauses: “I, too, like reading mysteries” or “I like reading mysteries, too.” In these sentences, you are adding a pause to create emphasis.

There is no right or wrong here. Comma or no comma after “too” is really up to you and the context of the paragraph where the “too” sentence is. If you want to emphasize your thought, you can add the comma to slow the sentence down. If no emphasis is necessary, then no comma is necessary.

Other Words and Commas

You might be faced with this comma conundrum when using other short transitional adverbs, such as “therefore” and “however.” You could say something like, “He likes mustard. I however prefer ketchup.” Here, you’re just stating a regular thought with no particular emphasis, so no commas. If you really want to contrast your preference and would like to indicate a clear break in thought, then it would be fine to use commas: “He likes mustard. I, however, prefer ketchup.”

Starting a Sentence with “Too” and Other Transitional Adverbs

When you use words like “also,” “in addition,” “however,” and “therefore” in the middle of a sentence, you as the writer get to decide if you want to set them off with commas. If you feel a pause is warranted, go ahead and use commas. When you start a sentence with one of these words, on the other hand, you need to use a comma right after the transitional adverb (2) because you’re definitely changing course.

Let’s look at the word “however,” which is often synonymous with “nevertheless.” If you were discussing the likes and dislikes of Squiggly and Aardvark, you might say, “Squiggly doesn’t care which Popsicle he gets. However, Aardvark really wants a cherry one.” Here, you’re making the contrast a big deal, so a comma is warranted. Note that sometimes “however” means “to whatever extent,” as in “However loud you can yell, I can yell louder.” In that case, you don’t use a comma.

So we’ve seen that you can start a sentence with “also,” “in addition,” “however,” and “therefore.” The word “too,” though, is a little different. It’s poor style, according to some (1, 3, 4), to start a sentence with “too” and a comma. It does sound odd to say something like, “Too, I like ketchup.” Too, I think that’s weird and I would counsel against saying or writing a sentence like that. It would be better to start the sentence with “moreover” or “furthermore” (4) plus a comma: “Moreover, I like ketchup.”

Summary

In summary, there are many times when you have to use a comma, for example when you are listing items in a series. But you get to choose whether you want a comma with your “too.”

Administrative

The Curious Case of the Misplaced Modifier

This podcast was written by Bonnie Trenga, author of The Curious Case of the Misplaced Modifier, who blogs at sentencesleuth.blogspot.com, and I'm Mignon Fogarty, the author of the paperback book Grammar Girl's Quick and Dirty Tips for Better Writing.

That's all. Thanks for listening.

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References

1. "Commas, " Chicago Manual of Style FAQ, http://tinyurl.com/bt37rv. (accessed Oct. 16, 2008).

2. Lutz, G. and  Stevenson, D. Grammar Desk Reference. Cincinnati: Writer's Digest Books, 2005, pp. 203-4.

3. The Chicago Manual of Style. Fourteenth Edition. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1993, p. 169.

4. Garner, B. Garner's Modern English Usage. Oxford: Oxford University Press. 2003, p. 793.


Comments (11) for When to Use a Comma with “Too”  |  Subscribe to Comment

susan Says:
10/13/2009 12:37:08 PM
The comma definitely changes the meaning of the sentence. Consider: "I hate flying, too." vs. "I hate flying too." If you are saying that Jim, Joe and Julie hate flying... and that I, too, hate flying, you would write "I hate flying too." If you are saying that I hate diving, jumping and climbing ... and that I also hate flying, you would write "I hate flying, too."
Thomas Says:
2/20/2009 8:46:38 AM
I'm SO glad you did this episode. I was just wondering about "too" on Tuesday and wondering if it was something worth having a full episode about. But when you combine it with all the others, it definitely makes sense. Thanks for clearing it up!
SF Susan Says:
2/19/2009 11:29:01 AM
I wish there were more documentation for the premises of this podcast. While I believe language rules evolve over time, so it's no longer unacceptable to begin a sentence with "however" (see Grammar Girl's thoroughly researched and documented May 29, 2007, podcast) or to use "different than" instead of "different from," I think it's going too far to suggest that commas around "too" and "however" are purely the writer's choice. I was taught that there is no comma before "too" (meaning "also") when it ends a sentence and there are always commas when "too" is mid-sentence. I also believe commas are absolutely required in a sentence like "I, however, prefer ketchup." As I understand it, "however" would be considered nonessential and would have to be set off by commas. If this has changed, is there any documentation for that change in reputable style manuals or grammar references? I tried to do a little research on my own, and I'm seeing some evidence that "too" without commas is accepted (especially in very short sentences), but none at all that "however" can be used without the commas. Regarding John from Loraine's comment, why is there any question about "however" meaning "nevertheless"? "Nevertheless" is listed as a definition of "however" in several dictionaries and specifically mentioned as a synonym for "however" in Strunk & White.
Ryan Corcoran Says:
2/17/2009 9:00:12 PM
What about the word "yet"? I have seen lots of people end sentences with comments like "Have you received my present, yet?" I've always assumed that was incorrect. Is "yet" a matter of opinion, too?
nicole Says:
2/16/2009 7:36:58 PM
I hate flying, too!!
Jerry from NY Says:
2/16/2009 9:52:20 AM
John from Lorain: I would be more inclined to take your grammar advice if you were not so insensitive in giving it. It seems you relish the opportunity to be hateful to anyone who dare have a point of view different from yours. I agree with *most* of what you've said, but I don't want to because you were so hateful in delivering it. Couldn't you just say, "Okay, here's what I think about these issues," rather than, "Oh my god you are so wrong!" and being so patronizing as to say "I do not really enjoy correcting you..." Because you do it on EVERY installment of GG.
Dan Says:
2/16/2009 3:30:39 AM
I rather think you do enjoy correcting grammar, however, you have the right to your "opinion" as well.
Anonymous Says:
2/15/2009 5:43:34 PM
In considering the myriad errors John mentions, I suggest Bonnie be banned from offering grammar advice. He is right on each account, which certainly doesn't bode well for Bonnie's book.
Celia Says:
2/14/2009 5:28:16 PM
I was confused about however as well. I learned that however doesn't start a new sentence but follows a semi-colon. For example: "Squiggly doesn’t care which Popsicle he gets; however, Aardvark really wants a cherry one.” Is this not right?
John from Lorain Says:
2/14/2009 10:02:21 AM
Oh, dear heavens, Bonnie Trenga! You have made some out-and-out errors, and you have offered some "minority opinions" as though they were rules to be obeyed. Where to begin? You stated: "A comma before the 'too' gives the sentence just a slightly different meaning than the sentence without one." I'm sorry, but a comma before "too" is neither required nor desirable, and it does NOT give a sentence "a slightly different meaning." Worse than this, however, was your use of the erroneous structure, "different ... than." The word, "different," is not used with "than," but rather with "from." One thing differs FROM another; it does not differ THAN another. The word, "than," is used with "more" or "less." Next, you were thrice wrong (or offered a minority opinion as if it were a rule) concerning the word, "however." First, you stated that "'however' is often synonymous with 'nevertheless.'" Second, you stated that it was all right to use the word, "however," at the beginning of a sentence. Third, you offered this as an acceptably written sentence: "I however prefer ketchup." I would say, HOWEVER, that you are thrice wrong. First, I cannot think of any case in which "however" (which means, "but" or "on the other hand") is synonymous with "nevertheless" (which means, "even so"); certainly, the two words are not "often" synonyms, as you stated they were. Second, the majority opinion is that it is in poor style to start a sentence with the word, "However." We are advised to insert between the subject and predicate of a sentence, as I did twice, above. Third, I believe that the majority opinion is in favor of always using commas around the word, "however" (except, as you stated, when it means "to whatever extent"). Bonnie, I must advise you as I recently advised GG: In the future, please prepare what you plan to say, and then submit it to several people of diverse backgrounds (age, sex, occupations, regions, etc.), so that they can correct your errors and offer suggestions. I do not really enjoy correcting you and GG in public.
dan Says:
2/13/2009 1:46:18 AM
I think you need to do two episodes on the differences between too and to, too. While wearing a two tutus too. Twice. Ta ta.

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