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Concrete Versus Cement
Episode 144: November 07, 2008

Grammar Girl here. Today’s topic is “cement” versus “concrete.”

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Guest writer Sal Glynn writes:

Accuracy is important. You might think concrete and cement are interchangeable, but you'll quickly find that you're mistaken when some guy at Home Depot rolls his eyes at you when you ask for the wrong thing. And if you're writing instructions for someone and you use the wrong word, it'll be your fault when things don't go so well. Yes, “cement,” and “concrete” have completely different meanings (1), and knowing what they are helps you use them well and maintain your dignity in home improvement stores.

The History of Cement and Concrete

Cement comes from the Latin word “caementum,” meaning rough-cut stone, while concrete is from the Latin word “concretus,” meaning to grow together or harden. Both words wandered through Middle English until they met in 1756, when John Smeaton used his version of cement in rebuilding the Eddystone lighthouse.

In 1824 Joseph Aspdin patented “Portland cement,” a powder made of limestone and clay. He called it Portland cement because when it was mixed with sand, gravel, pebbles, bits of rock, and water, the resulting dried concrete resembled the limestone from the English Isle of Portland.

This is the division: cement is a powder that is mixed with other materials and water to create the solid mass known as concrete. There is no such thing as a cement overpass, a cement porch, or a cement pond. These are all concrete. If you stub your toe on concrete you'll yell like a Cretin. Get it? Concrete. Cretin.

And in case you were wondering, pavement is also not concrete. Pavement is a solid material made of sand, gravel, or crushed stone much like concrete, but the cement binder is replaced with asphalt or tar.

Uses and Abuses of Concrete

Cement does have other meanings that don't relate to construction, for example,

Henrik and Daphne cemented their relationship by exchanging nose rings.

The transitive verb “cemented” means to bind or join together. Henrik and Daphne swap nose rings to show they are more than casual friends.

The idiomatic use of “cement” to mean “determined or unalterable” is wrong. For example, it would be wrong to say

Daphne’s opinions about firearm safety and tattoos were set in cement.

At best, that means Daphne’s opinions were set in powder. Since she refused to be swayed, her opinions were set in concrete.

That Other Kind of Concrete

Outside of building materials, “concrete” is the opposite of “abstract,” and means actual or specific things. An automobile is concrete, while justice is abstract. Here's how you'd use it in a sentence:

Henrik talked about building a summer home, but none of his plans were concrete.

Plans are abstract when they aren't specified or put in motion. Henrik needs to make a decision and get to work instead of sitting around talking.

[Web Bonus] More Concrete for the Curious

The French avant-garde “musique concrète” (2) began in the late 1940s with composer Pierre Schaeffer. The music ignores the abstract of sharps and clefs in composition and instead uses sound from objects like tin cans to power drills. These are recorded on tape and altered to create music. Noted recent composers in this genre include Steve Reich, Negativland, and Frank Zappa.

Concrete poetry (3) does away with old stuff like straight lines and syntax, and sets the words in kinetic aggregate of collage, different typefaces, graphics, and calligraphy to create levels of meaning not previously available from the printed page. Scottish artist and poet Ian Hamilton Finlay sculpts his concrete poems. For more on concrete poetry, visit the Sackner Archive of Concrete and Visual Poetry at www.rediscov.com/sacknerarchives/

Now that you understand the difference between cement and concrete, remember the quick and dirty tips is that you cement things together, and stub your toe on concrete.

Keep listening after this message from our sponsor for information about how you can participate in the Grammar Girl Pet Peeve of the Year contest.

Pet Peeve of the Year Contest

In a month or so I'll be announcing the Grammar Girl Pet Peeve of the Year, and it will be based entirely on your input. Let me know what irritated you the most about language in 2008 by leaving a comment on the transcript for this episode at QuickandDirty Tips.com. It can be anything -- a phrase, a new word, an omission – whatever it was that stood out to you as a problem with language this year. Again, leave a comment in the transcript at QuickAndDirtyTips.com.

The Dog Walked Down the Street: An Outspoken Guide for Writers Who Want to Publish

This episode was written by guest-writer Sal Glynn, the author of the award-winning book The Dog Walked Down the Street, An Outspoken Guide for Writers Who Want to Publish. Find out more about Sal at his blog, http://dogwalkeddownthestreet.blogspot.com. And I'm Mignon Fogarty, author of the paperback book Grammar Girl's Quick and Dirty Tips for Better Writing, which makes a lovely and affordable gift. I think books in general make great gifts. I often to give books. But I guess that wouldn't surprise anyone!

That's all. Thanks for listening.

 

REFERENCES

 
1. Brians, Paul. Common Errors in English Usage. Wilsonville, OR: William, James & Co, 2003.
2. Griffiths, Paul. A Concise History of Western Music. NY: Cambridge University Press, 2006.
3. Padgett, Ron. The Teachers and Writers Handbook of Poetic Forms. NY: Teachers & Writers Collaborative, 2007.
 

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Scott Halvorson Says:
12/5/2008 4:55:25 PM
My biggest pet peeve is the misuse of the word "less" when the word "fewer" is proper. "You will score less points if you play this card" or "you will collect less resources if yo don't own that building" are phrases I hear from a friend when playing games. He hasn't caught on the band wagon yet, although I have managed to convert another friend to use the right word. There are other pet peeves that deserve honorable mention: 1. the word "there's" followed by a plural noun: There's more cans of soda in the fridge. 2. confusion between "its" and "it's": My cat couldn't make up it's (it is) mind if i wanted to play with the ball or the piece of string. 3. using "an" in front of a word starting with an "h" sound: This year had an historic election. 4. the use of the ficticious "n - 2" comma rule: a loaf of bread, a container of milk and a stick of butter. It is the "n - 1" comma rule. "Three cheers for the red, white, and blue." I suppose GG has mentioned that this is more of a style issue, but it was a rule when I was young.
Andy Says:
12/1/2008 6:46:50 PM
My pet peeve is when people "melee" the same way they do "mealie"... Seriously. I mispronounce words all the time, particularly when I think they sound better that way, but mealie? That just sounds bad. xP
Aarpm Edwards Says:
11/30/2008 7:29:59 PM
My biggest pet peeve this year is the misuse of the word "epic." It seems to be used to describe anything that might "blow someone away" or give a person a feeling of shock, speechlessness, or the like. The actual meaning is a poetic narrative usually deriving of a hero on a great and long journey. Homer's Iliad is an epic. JRR Token's "The Lord of the Rings" is a modern epic. I might even go so far as saying The Decemberists' song "The Mariner's revenge song is an epic. However, the latest guitar solo by Metalica or whatever heavy metal band is NOT epic. Nor is one's joke on 4chan or digg an epic failure.
Cara Meyer Says:
11/27/2008 3:53:29 PM
According to Merriam-Webster.com, "redistributionist" is a real word, but it still makes my skin crawl.
Rick Demaray Says:
11/27/2008 11:23:16 AM
Pet Peeve of the year. Orient vs Orientate. Orient:to set right by adjusting to facts or principles b: to acquaint with the existing situation or environment Otientate : to face or turn to the east. To put someone through an orientation has nothing to do with orientating them. AAgggghhhhh !
Aaron Says:
11/25/2008 3:09:13 PM
My pet peeve is improper subject-verb agreement with the contraction --'s. Usually this takes the form of "there's" plus a plural. For example, in Grammar Girl's episode titled "Wordiness and Idioms" at 1:50, our hostess says, "I'm sure there's other great examples that I'm not thinking of."
Heddy Says:
11/25/2008 12:54:43 AM
Hi Grammar Girl, My big peeve is the misuse of the word 'less'. For example: "There are less adverts on TV than there used to be". I think it should be "There are fewer adverts on TV than there used to be". I was always taught that 'less' should only be used when the items you are referring to are not individually quantifiable. i.e. I have less time to do things. It's one thing that is guaranteed to get on my nerves. However, my husband jokes that 'less' is more commonly known now and is becoming acceptable due to the evolution of language. I think he's just saying that to get on the few nerves I have left!
Tang Says:
11/19/2008 11:15:43 AM
Hello, Grammar Girl I'm not sure where can I ask you a question. I found an argument on a webboard about how to use "if not" so I would like to ask you a few questions. 1. From what I understand I can use "if not" in meaning if "maybe even" and "unless", is that correct? 2. Can "if not" use in other meaning? Which one is the most common usafe? 3. "He's a good man,if not an incredible one." - I believe if not in this case means maybe even, is that correct? 4. How can you tell which sentence is which case (maybe even or unless)? Are there rules on that? 5. Last but not least, How can you use comma in "if not" sentence - before or after "if not" or both? Thank you, Tang
Brian Tristam Williams Says:
11/18/2008 4:28:15 PM
Here's a great discussion of cement vs. concrete from a completely unrelated field! www.poynton.com/PDFs/YUV_and_luminance_harmful.pdf As for pet peeves: * using "it's" for "its" * using "your" for "you're" Urg
Blarg Says:
11/18/2008 11:30:43 AM
My biggest pet peave is the misuse of "comprise". Almost nobody uses this word correctly. Also, almost everybody who uses "begs the question" uses it incorrectly.
Mary Says:
11/17/2008 10:41:32 PM
I will go crazy if I hear one more person use "entitled" when they mean "titled." I hear it used incorrectly by Garrison Kellior on his Writer's Almanac almost every episode. And by NPR reporters and by authors at book signings! Stop the maddness! Aren't I entitled to listen to good grammar while I am writing my term paper, titled "When Good Writers Use Bad Words?"
Gretchen Says:
11/16/2008 6:13:49 PM
My pet peeve is the word "vast" being used as an adjective for almost everything: a vast majority, a vast difference, the vast number of voters, a vast understatement.... AARRRGGGHHHH. Hearing it now is like nails on a chalkboard!
Barbara Rose Says:
11/15/2008 2:57:14 PM
One of my pet peeves has been writers on scripted television programs who do not use objective case pronouns. Dialogue by a supposedly educated character may include a phrase such as "with he and I"
Chris Boivin Says:
11/14/2008 2:40:19 PM
This is too much fun. One more pet peeve of the year... "first come, first serve." It should be first serveD, correct? First come, first serve sounds like it implies the first to arrive is the first TO serve, rather than the first TO BE SERVED. I think I'm all peeved out. Thanks!!!
Neal Schultz Says:
11/14/2008 12:54:30 AM
My King Grammar Pet Peeve must be the horrid use of the phrase "SAME DIFFERENCE". When in fact people mean "SAME THING". I don't know how many times I have tried to explain how wrongly this phrase is construed. SAME DIFFERENCE only means the "SAME THING" as SAME DIFFERENCE if you were comparing to inequalities such as 12-4 is the same difference as 9-1 --- except cheerily, I must admit, it IS also the SAME THING!
Neal Schultz Says:
11/14/2008 12:39:55 AM
My King Grammar Pet Peeve must be the horrid use of the phrase "SAME DIFFERENCE". When in fact people mean "SAME THING". I don't know how many times I have tried to explain how wrongly this phrase is construed. SAME DIFFERENCE only means the "SAME THING" as SAME DIFFERENCE if you were comparing to inequalities such as 12-4 is the same difference as 9-1 --- except cheerily, I must admit, it IS also the SAME THING!
Brandon Dilbeck Says:
11/13/2008 6:56:32 PM
My pet peeve is hearing news reporters say that something "begs the question," when it really just brings a question to attention.
Chris Boivin Says:
11/13/2008 12:50:19 PM
I thought of two more pet peeves, maybe not 2008-specific, but still... One is pronunciation of acronyms. This used to happen all the time at my old company. the Office of the COO became the "oh-KOO" or a Geographic Businees Unit (GBU) was a "guh-BOO." Completely agonizing. The other pet peeve: "two-way mirror." If it isn't a one-way mirror or one-way glass, it's glass or a double mirror. Isn't it?
Neko Nick Says:
11/13/2008 10:53:23 AM
My grammar pet peeve of the year is calling wireless cell phone headsets 'bluetooths'. Bluetooth is a short-range wireless protocol, not something you wear!
Eileen Masselli Says:
11/13/2008 9:08:34 AM
My pet peeve of the year, far and away, is the use of apostrophes in plurals. I see this on signs and in e-mail more and more frequently: Fresh roll's every day! Come in and get your free coupon's! Egad.
Kathryn Says:
11/13/2008 8:50:32 AM
My pet peeve is the use of "would of" instead of "would've" or "would have". I've been seeing it more frequently.
black kettle Says:
11/13/2008 8:17:47 AM
My pet peeve is reading pet peeves about grammar issues and seeing grammatical errors in the comments. Examples: well-paying, nother without the appostrophe, lists without the commas.
kain Says:
11/13/2008 1:42:42 AM
Why is wrong to say " It is because". My teacher would correct me as " this is because" the online corpus shows that both are ok but what are their differences in usage
Stephanie Says:
11/12/2008 11:02:19 PM
I absolutely hate that Midwesterners drop the to be in infinitive phrases (?): "The lawn needs mowed." Nu-uh. "The lawn needs to be mowed." or "The lawn needs mowing."
LH Says:
11/12/2008 5:49:37 PM
My pet peeve is seeing semicolons being used as commas. I hate it!
Alexis Raymond Says:
11/12/2008 5:48:05 PM
My pet peeve is a non-existent word that lazy speakers have created: "nother." As in, "My role in their break-up is a whole nother story." The speaker really means to say that it is "another whole story." I hear this phrase all the time, even from news reporters and other people in professional settings!
Beth Says:
11/12/2008 5:21:19 PM
My pet peeve is the lack of proofreading in books and newspapers and other documents where someone should know better. I'm constantly amazed at the errors I see every day in spelling and usage. "Peaks of sunshine today." "The party's futures depend on..." And most people seem to think it doesn't matter. And that reminds me - it drives me nuts when people use everday for every day. Sigh.
Chris Boivin Says:
11/12/2008 5:16:15 PM
Pet Peeve of the Year, in my opinion: verbification. I see that you did a show on this matter last year, but it continues to get out of hand. I even find myself doing it, and that's more annoying than anything. In particular (but not in any particular order), these are some of the worst: to text to QA (meaning to perform quality assurance on something "Can you QA this?") to bulletize to google and while I really enjoy reading blogs and listening to podcasts (like yours), the verbifications "to blog" and "to podcast" really bug me. I know that these are functions of contemporary society's quest for hyper-efficiency, but it seems to fracture the beauty of the English language by just making up rules. And it makes it much harder for non-English speakers and children to learn the language if all rules get thrown out the window, doesn't it? Thanks for listening :-)
Patrick Says:
11/12/2008 2:56:55 PM
FYI, cement is also used by itself as a building material. Some examples of applications where Portland cement is used instead of concrete are: dams, oilrigs, dock supports, bridges, lighthouses and various other structures. The Portland cement, by itself, would be mixed with water, poured and allowed to harden.
Dee NM Says:
11/12/2008 2:52:14 PM
Cement is used to make concrete. Concrete is a mixture of cement, gravel and water.
Nathan Bradley Says:
11/12/2008 11:34:45 AM
In the state of Massachusetts, they have signs on every interstate that say, "Be alert, take a break, Stay awake for safety sake." I think it should say, "safety's sake." I am tempted to get a ladder and a can of spray paint to correct them. Thankfully I don't go to Mass. very often.
Kelly Says:
11/11/2008 9:05:09 PM
My pet peeve for 2008 was the substitution of "good-paying" for "well-paying," as in "I will create thousands of good-paying jobs." This annoyance popped up in the presidential debates and in ads for Obama and McCain, as well as for several local politicians.
Phil Says:
11/11/2008 5:57:36 PM
I would have to agree with the comments on the abuse of "me" and "I". In the same vein, I hate when people replace "me" with "myself", in a misguided fear of using "me" because they think it's somehow improper in formal writing. For example: "Joe brought the documents straight to myself after he had the lawyer review them."
Ted Says:
11/11/2008 5:40:00 PM
Pet peeve (probably a losing battle): "there's" followed by a plural. Radio & TV announcers say this with appalling regularity.
Kristi Says:
11/11/2008 4:37:59 PM
how stupid!
Tom Says:
11/11/2008 10:36:56 AM
What's my top pet peeve? Choose one. 1. People use subjective personal pronouns inappropriately - "He gave the grammar lesson to my wife and I" (I suppose they believe it sounds more educated, and it's prevalent on television. 2. "Impact" is used instead of "affect" or "effect". I think the only time weather impacts us is when there's hail. 3. Terrible spelling on Internet forums leads me to discount writers' opinions. "Loose" for "lose", "waist" for "waste", etc. It's not technically grammar, I suppose, but definitely poor communication. 4. Again, not technically a grammar problem, but I am frustrated by those who scream "Pedant!" at any criticism of their spelling or grammar errors. There is great disdain for the individual who advocates correct usage. By the way, Teri, it's "y'all", not "ya'll". Don't like it? Don't come to Georgia!
Tom Says:
11/11/2008 10:33:19 AM
What's my top pet peeve? Choose one. 1. People use subjective personal pronouns inappropriately - "He gave the grammar lesson to my wife and I" (I suppose they believe it sounds more educated, and it's prevalent on television. 2. "Impact" is used instead of "affect" or "effect". I think the only time weather impacts us is when there's hail. 3. Terrible spelling on Internet forums leads me to discount writers' opinions. "Loose" for "lose", "waist" for "waste", etc. It's not technically grammar, I suppose, but definitely poor communication. 4. Again, not technically a grammar problem, but I am frustrated by those who scream "Pedant!" at any criticism of their spelling or grammar errors. There is great disdain for the individual who advocates correct usage. By the way, Teri, it's "y'all", not "ya'll". Don't like it? Don't come to Georgia!
Susan Fordyce Says:
11/11/2008 9:46:12 AM
pet peeves: the phrase "diametrically opposed" and confusion about the difference between "they're, there and their".
Rob Says:
11/11/2008 8:39:47 AM
You goofed, GG! You used the following sentence in your discussion: Henrik talked about building a summer home, but none of his plans were concrete. The correct sentence should be, of course, 'none of his plans was..."
Steve Says:
11/11/2008 6:23:14 AM
Pet peeves: New innovations used on a recent episode of America's test kitchen. Future plans used repeatedly on various newscasts. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Pat couzens Says:
11/10/2008 8:31:34 PM
Since this contest is about pet peeves of this year, it is the new phrase 'x' times less. As in there were 3 times less murders in the metro area this year than last.
alissa Says:
11/10/2008 4:51:11 PM
I tend to cringe when people use "literally" when they're not expressing something literal.
Fran Says:
11/10/2008 4:29:29 PM
I notice that many people being interviewed are now replying "absolutely" when a simple "yes" is called for in response to a question. This began to bother me a lot when I realized how pervasive this verbal tic has become in the broadcast and print media. Now my reaction is the same as it is for "nails on a chalkboard."
Michael Says:
11/10/2008 12:58:08 PM
Shouldn't the word "tips" be singular in the following sentence from the "More concrete for the curious" section above? Now that you understand the difference between cement and concrete, remember the quick and dirty tips [or "tip"?] is that you cement things together, and stub your toe on concrete.
Kirsten Says:
11/10/2008 11:46:17 AM
Hi Grammar Girl, My all-time pet peeve is when people use "as of late" when they mean "lately." This happens often with sports announcers ("He's swinging a hot bat as of late"), but it's creeping into main-stream broadcasting lately. However, my pet-peeve-of-the-year award has to go to all the news outlets that described Sarah Palin as "going rogue." Opinions about her politics aside, she could "be a rogue," or she could have "rogue ideas," but she can't "go rogue." Ugh.
Sarah Cunningham Says:
11/10/2008 11:06:17 AM
Another tip to remember the different: Cement comes in a bag, and concrete comes in a truck. I learned this lesson from my transportation design* professor, junior year of college. At his 8am class. It was embarrassing, the way he sarcastically corrected me, but I've never forgotten it. (*I have a degree in civil engineering.)
Bridget Says:
11/10/2008 9:01:00 AM
My biggest grammar pet peeve of the year is the misplacement of the word "and" in numerical phrases. For instance, when a cashier says, "That'll be three hundred and fifty six," which do they mean? I should technically only owe $300.56, yet most of the times, that phrase is meant to mean $356. Another example was extremely prevalent on election night. Reporters kept saying phrases such as, "Senator Obama has one hundred and ninety five electoral votes so far." I kept wondering when they started counting votes in decimals!
IO Says:
11/10/2008 7:49:04 AM
Pet peeves? I recently read something like this on an internet forum about the show Friends: "It's definately Ross who should of known about Monica and Chandler first, because he caught them in the honeymoon sweet." I don't get where the "a" in definately comes from, the honeymoon "sweet"... well, suite does sound similar, but my biggest pet peeve is this "would/should/could of".
Kristen Says:
11/9/2008 11:08:44 PM
I've only skimmed these comments, and I've seen several things I hate, too. But the one that tops the list is definitely "your/you're"! In speech, what bugs me most is people misusing "I/me" in sentences like, "Me and my brother went to the store." I always want to scream, "My brother and I!!"
Samantha Says:
11/9/2008 12:29:44 PM
My biggest pet peeve has been the improper use of apostrophes. I've noticed it in every media type as well as in correspondence.
AmyB Says:
11/9/2008 10:07:33 AM
I have many grammar pet peeves, but the top one on my list has to be the persistent use of "over" instead of "more than." (Ex: There were over twenty people at my party.) It's not that difficult to remember: "over" is for distance, and "more than" is for quantity.
Mauro Mello Jr. Says:
11/9/2008 6:24:19 AM
Ouch! In the penultimate paragraph in the transcript above there is this sentence: "I think books in general make great gifts. I often to give books. But I guess that wouldn't surprise anyone!" 'to' - [want] to give? Hmm, don't think so. Maybe an orphaned 'to'? This minor issue aside, this is another very good posting and discussion, as usual.
Scott Says:
11/8/2008 7:44:36 PM
Ooh, I thought of another one...especially here in Philly people love to end their sentences with at or to. Where's Tony at? I know where he's going to.
Scott Says:
11/8/2008 7:41:35 PM