Episode Transcript

Does Grammar Really Matter?
Episode 152: January 09, 2009

Grammar Girl here.

Today's topic is why grammar matters.

One thing people said they wanted to hear more about in my print book is why grammar matters. I didn't think any of you would need convincing, but maybe you're looking for arguments to defend yourself against the people who say it doesn't matter.

In any event, I've invited Martha Brockenbrough, author of the new book “Things That Make Us [Sic],” to make the case for good grammar. She's also a grammar columnist for MSN's Encarta and the founder of SPOGG—the Society for the Promotion of Good Grammar. Who couldn't love an organization with an acronym like SPOGG?

Now, Martha writes,

Does it bother you when someone says, "Between you and I"?

Does your lip twitch ever so slightly when someone uses an apostrophe to make a plural?

And does a teeny-tiny part of your soul shrivel when Neil Diamond sings, "song she sang to me, song she brang to me"?

If that's the case, you are not alone—even if it sometimes feels that way.

Every day, people like us see and hear errors that needn't be made: in pop songs and movie titles, in television newscasts and movie dialogues.

It's an ongoing assault to the senses, and let's face it—it can feel pretty darned depressing to those of us who care about language, who love it, and who try to use it as well as we can.

Try not to lose heart, though. While it might be stylish in certain quarters to ignore the rules of standard usage, grammar matters elsewhere.

It matters a lot.

Getting a Job

It matters, for example, when you're applying for a job. In one survey of hiring managers, 75 percent said it was worse for an applicant to have a spelling or grammar error on his application than for him to show up late or—get this—swear during an interview. Holy bleep

Keeping a Job

It continues to matter when you've landed that job. Remember the fictional TV lawyer Ed? He lost his job in a Manhattan law firm because of a misplaced comma in a contract. Just in case you think this sort of thing only happens on TV, think again. A utility company in Canada had to pay an extra $2.13 million in 2006 to lease power poles because someone stuck a comma in the wrong spot.

Staying Out of Jail

Grammar matters even if you have an illegal job. A bank robber once got nabbed, in part, because he spelled "money" M-U-N-Y. The bank teller realized the man was such an idiot, he could be tricked into robbing the bank across the street—where police summoned by the teller were waiting.

And get this: A woman who killed her husband and then wrote notes to the police was caught in part because of her tendency to misuse dashes and quotation marks. All police had to do was compare her regular correspondence to the anonymous taunts sent to the police and they had a powerful piece of evidence against her.

Finding Love

Grammar also matters if you're looking for love. Raise your hand if you'd want to go out with someone whose personal ad contains spelling and grammar errors. That's right. It's a turnoff. It's the equivalent of having spinach in your teeth, or having the zipper on your jeans undone.

Understanding Appropriateness

Speaking of jeans, grammar and clothing have a lot in common.

Let's say you see a man in a Speedo. Are you at the beach? Let's hope so. If he's wearing a Speedo on public transportation, the man's probably a lunatic. At the very least, you don't want to sit next to him on the bus.

In just the same way, using the wrong kind of language in the wrong place can send some pretty nutty messages.

Let's say you sent your company president e-mail and you used the number 2 as shorthand for "to." Essentially, you're saying, "I don't need that raise this year after all. In fact, I might not really even need this job."

That doesn't mean you can never use shortcuts like this. Even though people who love grammar are less likely to do so, it's fine to save your thumbs when you're texting. It's all about context.

You don't wear a Speedo or other super-abbreviated forms of pants on the bus. Likewise, you don’t use really abbreviated language where it doesn't belong.

Of course, you know this already, you with your pants carefully zipped, you with your shirt covering your navel. 

Getting and Giving Respect

You know that being grammatical isn't just about following the rules like some sort of robot. It's about paying attention to context. It's using language that's most likely to be understood. It's about sending a message that will be met with respect, just as it shows respect.

So thank you for caring—and good luck out there.

Administrative

And, you can get Martha's book anywhere fine books are sold. It's called “Things That Make Us Sic” [s-i-c] and contains Martha's funny letters correcting famous people and companies, photos of grammar errors, and many examples of Martha's fun approach to language.

I'm Mignon Fogarty, and I'll end with a quick reminder for you to actually subscribe to this podcast, especially if you use iTunes. There appears to be some sort of kink in their system right now where the new episodes aren't showing up right away when we release them – if you're not subscribed. But subscribers are getting their shows right on time, as usual. So if you haven't taken the leap and hit the subscribe button, now is a good time to do so.

That's all. Thanks for listening.


Comments (17) for Does Grammar Really Matter? |  Subscribe to Comment

Mamourou Keita Says:
4/12/2009 11:58:08 PM
i strongly agree .Grammar does matter because it make a defference between an educated person and a person who has never been to school.We need grammar in our life .
green angel Says:
3/23/2009 12:10:31 PM
amen. my your soul shrivels when Paula Cole sings, " So open up your morning light. And say a little prayer for I". Argh.
Paulie Says:
2/9/2009 8:41:43 AM
Can someone please explain to me the use of THIS in the following example: "It was the first time they had looked in each other's eyes, this they realised" Is it a pronoun?? Thank you in advance!!!
Louise Says:
1/21/2009 7:20:27 PM
As a former Engineering Communications teacher, I loved this podcast, especially the section about getting a job. Sometimes it's hard to pound it through that grammar really does make or break your first impression. And thanks FekketCantenel for making a stink about the citations - now I can pass on the post with the original material to back it up.
FekketCantenel Says:
1/20/2009 3:16:19 PM
Thanks to the author for providing more links and Mignon for posting them. I'll bump my grade up to a B-; the article still suffers from a lack of anecdotes/data for most of the listed examples.
Isabella Says:
1/19/2009 10:50:31 PM
Hello!! I'm from Korea. I hated grammer at first when My mom introduced me this site. When I first heard the first story of grammer written by you, I fell in love with grammer!! Thank you very much, Grammer Girl. P.S. Do you know that in Korean, grammer is spelled this; ??(read it munbup)
Grammar Girl Says:
1/14/2009 7:27:07 PM
Hi, Cidora. I'm sorry to have to tell you that there aren't good rules to help you remember which preposition to use in which sentence. It seems to me that the most common questions I get from people who are learning English are about prepositions, so you can at least take comfort in knowing you aren't alone.
Cidora Says:
1/14/2009 12:01:19 PM
Hi Grammar Girl !!! I'm from Brazil and I really enjoy your podcasts... Not only your but the others too. I've learned a lot with everyone. So I'm here to ask you a help about prepositions . I still have little troubles about FOR and TO.Sometimes I don't know which I must use so I would like to know if there is a rule. Thanks.
Grammar Girl Says:
1/13/2009 1:29:21 PM
Martha has kindly provided references in response to your requests. The survey of hiring managers is from HRZone (http://is.gd/fJoD). She can't find the original source for the "m-u-n-y" story, but it is recounted at The Jewish Press (http://is.gd/fJqG). As a bonus, here's a story about someone the authorities called The English Major Bandit because of his horribly written demand letters. Apparently Martha tried to get his notes, but they wouldn't release them to her (http://is.gd/fJs1).
bill Says:
1/12/2009 3:05:45 PM
good episode
Mr Fnortner Says:
1/12/2009 2:35:43 PM
John from Lorain is off his meds, methinks. While grammar is indeed the law of a language, and following the grammar of one's language will produce the most felicitous result, violating the rules of grammar will produce merely ungrammatical sentences, not anarchy and dead babies. Observing the grammatical imperfections in his post, I shall consider his commentary a parody. LOL! Well done, John.
Jessica Says:
1/12/2009 11:04:10 AM
I have to agree with FekketCantenel. I came here looking for the citation for the survey on hiring managers, but I don't feel comfortable quoting the stat without knowing where it's coming from.
Zoran Says:
1/12/2009 10:04:29 AM
I just want to point out: "Speedo" is the sportswear brand. It doesn't make ONLY bathing costumes (check http://www.speedo.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?mpe_id=17701&cm_cr=No+Campaign-_-Web+Activity-_-Men+ProductSpot+New+Products+(2)-_-CAT_MEN_LEFTCONTENT-_-Men%27s+Brisbane+Pant&catalogId=10202&categoryId=33387&productId=116860&evtype=CpgnClick&intv_id=12101&langId=-1&top_category=33311&storeId=10151&ddkey=http:ClickInfo) and therefore can't be used to describe only that type of garment. It would be like saying that someone wore Nike. Nike what? Socks, shoes, pants, jacket...
John from Lorain Says:
1/10/2009 6:30:19 AM
Excellent commentary. Grammar really DOES matter. As we must follow traffic laws, so we must follow grammar's laws. Doing so shows respect to our ancestors and promotes better communication among us. Violating rules shows a lack of self-discipline, a slovenliness that deserves no congratulations, but only a sneer.
FekketCantenel Says:
1/9/2009 6:11:35 PM
This article deserves to have [citation needed] sprinkled throughout. Here are the links I could and couldn't find: Getting a Job - n/a Keeping a Job - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060806.wr-rogers07/BNStory/Business/home Staying Out of Jail, 1 - http://www.mytidbits.us/funny-stories/64-bank-robbery.html Staying Out of Jail, 2 - n/a Finding Love - n/a, no anecdote Understanding Appropriateness - n/a, no anecdote Getting and Giving Respect - n/a, no anecdote I give this article a C for the clumsy last three items and the missing citations. Nice try; please insert next quarter.
Gina Says:
1/9/2009 11:29:49 AM
I couldn't help but laugh. The lead-in on my blog feeder for this article is, "Do you want to succeed in live, love, and work?"
Vance Says:
1/9/2009 10:32:34 AM
Who could HELP but read an article with such an evocative title. Up next: The Pope asking "Do we need god?"

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