Episode Transcript

When Are Double Words OK?
Episode 142: October 24, 2008

Grammar Girl here.

Today's topic is double words, 

Guest-writer Bonnie Trenga writes,

Today’s today’s podcast podcast is is about words that are doubled, such as “had had” and “is is.” Word’s grammar checker automatically alerts you when you repeat a word, but sometimes such doubling is allowed.

Acceptable Doubled Words

Sometimes in the normal course of writing or speaking, we have to double words because that’s just how the sentence comes out (1). We might say something like, “When I gave her her hat back, she thanked me.” Word does not approve, but the sentence is grammatical, if a bit awkward. Another example is “By the time I thought of it, it was too late.” In this case, you can put a comma between the “it”s to make the sentence easier to follow. Although these doubled words are correct, consider rewording your sentence if the repeated words bother you.

“Had Had”

Another double you might encounter is “had had,” and Frank from New York would like to know if it’s a correct phrase. It is correct, though it too might seem a bit awkward. To understand “had had,” we need to take a look at the present perfect and past perfect tenses. Take this sentence: “I have had too many chocolates today.” That sentence is in the present perfect tense. You use that tense when you’re talking about a past action that is continuing into the present. This sentence means that I started eating chocolates in the past but the chocolate eating is continuing up to the present. Present perfect tense uses “has” and “have” plus the past participle, as in “have had” and “has gone.”

Now let’s put the chocolate sentence in the past tense. To do so, we’ll use past perfect tense, which uses “had” plus the past participle, as in “had had” and “had gone.” So in the sentence “I had had too many chocolates, so I was too full to eat dinner yesterday,” two things happened in the past. First was eating chocolates; second was trying to eat dinner.

When you have two past-tense occurrences, you use past perfect to express the action that came first. If you are using the verb “to have” in past perfect, you need to use two “had”s.

Here’s another past perfect example: “I had eaten too many chocolates, so I was too full to eat dinner yesterday.” This is grammatically the same as the “had had” sentence but we used the verb “to eat” instead of “to have.” Although “had had” isn't wrong, “had eaten” definitely sounds better.

“Is” Is a Special Case

Another odd doubling up occurs with the verb “to be.” This phenomenon is sometimes called the “double is,” although you can double up other forms of “to be.” You’ve probably heard of the song “Que será será,” which is Spanish for “Whatever will be will be.” In this song, “will be,” a future form, is repeated.

The double “is” has been part of American speech since at least the 1980s, but “it isn’t an expression for careful speakers,” says grammar authority Bryan Garner (2). You’ll often hear it when a sentence begins with “The problem is” and “The question is” (1). In such cases, another “is” would be incorrect. For example, in the sentence “The problem is is that it’s raining,” the subject of the sentence is “the problem”; therefore, we need only one “is.” We probably say such ungrammatical sentences because we’re stalling as we think of what to say next. Thinking longer before you speak is a better idea.

There is, however, a case when two “is” verbs in a row is grammatical. Well, at least I think so. One source I consulted agrees with me (3), but one does not (2). Sometimes you might hear a sentence such as “What he is is a complete jerk.” I believe this is grammatically correct, though a bit wordy. We use such sentences when we want to emphasize our point. If we use the same grammatical structure but not the double “is,” I think we can see that the double “is” sentence is grammatical: “What she wants is a bigger chocolate bar.” Here, “What he is” and “What she wants” are both the subjects, so we need to follow the subject with a verb. In the first case, the verb “is” turns out to be next to another “is”; in the second, the verb “wants” is next to the “is.” If you want to be a more careful speaker, you should probably reword such sentences: “He is a complete jerk” is more concise but less emphatic.

Summary

That’s about it for doubled words. Remember that words sometimes get doubled in the normal course of creating a sentence. It’s also possible to double up “had” if you’re using the past perfect tense. These constructions might be slightly awkward, so if you don’t like them, go ahead and reword your sentence. As for the double “is,” although you’ll probably let an occasional double “is” slip out every once in a while, it’s probably better to avoid this construction when possible.

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References

1. Burchfield, R. W, ed. The New Fowler’s Modern English Usage. Third edition. New York: Oxford, 1996, pp. 667-8.

2. Garner, B. Garner's Modern English Usage. Oxford: Oxford University Press. 2003, p. 469.. Accessed Sept. 26, 2008.

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_is

 

Comments (17) for When Are Double Words OK? |  Subscribe to Comment

Ioe Says:
11/18/2009 3:21:18 PM
I thought of this while typing "...you have to come in in a certain way to park". I love double words!
Grammar Girl Says:
8/13/2009 1:26:49 PM
The double "for" is, indeed, another problem. I just wrote this sentence and am pondering how to fix it. "I just stumbled across something in the 'Chicago Manual of Style' that I've been looking for for years."
lorvy Says:
8/13/2009 3:33:23 AM
why this subject double word not given more attention in school? Is'nt it important?
Jon Says:
6/1/2009 12:02:47 AM
Hi, does anyone know the grammatical term for this doubling up of words?
Larry Says:
3/26/2009 12:10:30 AM
For years, I've been irritated by people - presumably well educated people - saying "is is that." I couldn't believe it. I CAN'T believe it. It makes my skin crawl. I understand differences in dialect, or figures of speech, or colloquialisms, but this is just BAD. What's worse is that our new PRESIDENT is doing it!!! And it's not just a slip of the tongue. He has done it repeatedly. do a Google search on Obama and "is is that." How many results do you think you'll get. How many will you get 3 months from now, 6 months, a year...
Andre Says:
11/13/2008 11:18:14 PM
Here's one I came across today that used "for for": "It's something this community has longed for for a long time".
Lisa Says:
11/12/2008 5:28:04 PM
I was surprised to hear you say that the phrase "que sera, sera" was Spanish. When I was a kid, my mom often played a record of Doris Day singing "Que Sera, Sera". I always thought it was just poor pronunciation of French (my first language). The phrase "que sera, sera" translated into French literally means "what will be, will be". Though, I do concede the meaning of the phrase is very similar in Spanish, and as far as the Doris Day version is concerned, the accentuation of the vowels is more consistent with Spanish than French.
Robert Says:
11/6/2008 9:14:39 PM
Only one small comment. When you reffered to the sentence “What he is is a complete jerk.” You should use a comma between the 'is'. As when you spoke those words, you actually broke between the words. Speaking should be a very good sign for your puncuation. When reading or speaking, breaking the space reinforces the two seperate clauses combines to form a single sentence.
Steve Reynolds Says:
10/30/2008 8:27:51 PM
I knew a guy who would never fail to respond with "You said doodoo." "Do you make stupid comments?" "I do do that." He should better not have done that.
Tim Says:
10/30/2008 8:47:40 AM
This subject brought to mind something that was so mind jarring, I have never forgotten it. Many years ago, I read a book by a fairly well-known author, though at this time I cannot remember who it was. However, I can clearly remember that he wrote a line following this form: "The object that the character had had had been better than the one he now had." The author then interrupted the prose to put in parentheses the statement ("had had had" Now there's an interesting construction for you!) Grammar girl often recommends clarifying correct but awkward grammar to avoid disrupting the reader. Actually interrupting a novel to intentionally point out an awkward phrase was particularly stunning. Has anyone seen this? Does anyone remember the book / author? Probably only me...
WizzardofAus Says:
10/29/2008 9:58:21 PM
Grammar Girl: Is there an and between fish and and and and and chips? ;P
Kevin P. Rice Says:
10/27/2008 4:50:59 PM
Here's a nightmare for you: "John, while James had had 'had', had had 'had had'. 'Had had' had had a better effect on the teacher." Learned that from a friend in 7th grade.
Dogmom Says:
10/24/2008 2:44:35 PM
I am a court reporter working in federal court, and I must say that the double word phenomenon drives me crazy. It comes up literally in every case by attorneys who are otherwise wonderfully articulate, and that's not even touching the "how to punctuate" issue!
Eric Says:
10/24/2008 1:06:31 PM
Javier, "vacation" is generally used as a singular noun. It can be used in its plural sense: "Last year, I went on several vacations." Most readers will understand that "vacations" as being separate days of non-work fun with several days of work-related activity in between. .......................................... For the fun of it, can you take a vacation from your vacation? Would that be multiple vacations or the same vacation?
Eric Says:
10/24/2008 1:00:38 PM
Two famous presidential declarations used double words. Lincoln said in his Gettysburg Address, "... We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live." The necessity of that first "that" of "that that" is debatable, but Gettysburg Address reads like poetry to many of us. The other notable presidential use of a double is more infamous than famous. In Clinton's grand jury testimony, he used the line, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
Len Says:
10/24/2008 12:34:57 PM
Here are a couple of good ones (found on Wikipdeia): "James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher" and "'... let me get this straight: David Copperfield, unlike Pilgrim's Progress, which had had had, had had had had. Had had had had TGC's approval?'"
Javier Says:
10/24/2008 9:09:28 AM
hi grammar girl, I am studying english language and we use your listening shows for our listening class. I got something for, it´s vacation singular o plural? I will wait for your answer.

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