Episode Transcript

"Flammable" Versus "Inflammable"
Episode 158: February 20, 2009

Grammar Girl here. Today I'm going to cover two short topics.

So while I was home sick and listening to Undead and Unappreciated and Undead and Unpopular I had two happy little surprises when the main character asked the kind of questions that you listeners ask me. So to thank her for getting me through my cold, I'm going to answer those questions now. Here's the first one from Betsy, the main character in Undead and Unappreciated:

Falling-out

[Audio Clip

We can't let him live.

Sure we can.

Majesty, be reasonable. I know you are...were fond of the child. But he is a dangerous child.

I still consider him a friend, OK.

Friends have falling outs. Or would that be fallings out?]

Poor Betsy, not only is she under pressure to kill her friend but also baffled by a question with no good answer.

Dictionary.com and Merriam-Webster Online both show "fallings out" as the first plural option, but also show "falling outs" as a second option. When you're looking up something like that in a dictionary, the first option is supposed to be the preferred form. But the problem is that a different dictionary, YourDictionary.com based on Webster's New World College Dictionary, shows the plural options in the reverse order.

A Google search shows that "fallings out" is the more common form on the Internet, but not by much, and neither plural is used very often. There were only about 3,000 incidences of "fallings out" and only about 2,100 instances of "falling outs." Could it meant that most people have no more than one falling out? That would be nice.

I bet the author had Betsy express her uncertainty about how to make "falling out" plural because she'd looked it up couldn't find a good answer.

We have phrasal verbs (covered in episode 114) such as "throw up" and "make out" that are made up of a verb followed by a preposition, but as far as I can tell nouns that are made up of a verb followed by a preposition aren't called phrasal nouns; they're just considered compound words. I think they should be called phrasal nouns, but I bet I won't win that battle.

Anyway, I tried to think of other compound words that end in prepositions besides "falling out" to see how they're made plural. Two I came up with are "push-up" and "holdout." I can barely do one push-up, but I bet my husband could do 50 push-ups. "Push-ups" with the "s" after the "up" is clearly the preferred plural. I've never heard anyone ask, "How many pushes-up can you do?"

The same is true for "holdout." I'd ask "How many holdouts are there who think it's not OK to split infinitives?" The "s" goes at the end.
So I've decided that if I ever need to make "falling-out" plural, I will go with "falling-outs." "Geez, how many falling-outs did you guys have?" My reasoning isn't bulletproof, so don't take it as law, but it's simple and in THEE absence of a definitive answer from dictionaries, I think it makes sense.

Flammable Versus Inflammable

Here's Betsy's second conundrum from Undead and Unpopular.

[Someone's at the door. I said wiping off my face.
Oh, there is not.
Jessica, there totally is.

You know, you're like one of those annoying, yappy little dogs. Every time a car rolls by outside, you freak out and decide someone is coming up the walk.

Bong, bong.

I hate you, she sighed, getting up.

I checked my watch. It was almost 6 o'clock in the morning. Probably not a vampire. They didn't like to be running around so close to sunrise. As a rule, they were more flammable than gasoline. Or was it inflammable? I always got those two mixed up. My D in chemistry had never served me well.]

Again, Betsy is confused with good reason:"Flammable" and "inflammable" mean the same thing; they both mean "easy to burn." "Inflammable" is the original word, but then in the 1920s, according to Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, the National Fire Protection Association started encouraging people to use the word "flammable" instead because they were worried people could mistakenly think "inflammable" meant "not flammable." They saw it as a safety issue. Academics were inflamed (get it?) because they didn't appreciate the Fire Protection Association messing with the language and promoting "corrupt" words. Perhaps they thought dumb people should die a firey death if they went around holding matches to inflammable objects. Regardless, linguists have groused about "flammable" in usage books ever since.

If safety is important and you really want people to understand that the thing you're talking about could burst into flames, it's best to use "flammable" or some other phrase like "burns easily." In other cases, you can use whichever word you like.

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I found myself wondering if the nature of the compound made a difference in how the nouns should be made plural.

  • "Falling-out" tended to be hyphenated in dictionaries.
  • "Push-up" was hyphenated in every dictionary I checked.
  • "Holdout" was a closed compound ("holdout") at M-W.com and Dictionary.com, but the OED showed it as both a closed compound and a hyphenated compound.
It doesn't appear that the form of the compound plays a role in how a word is made plural, at least in the three examples I checked.

Comments (30) for "Flammable" Versus "Inflammable" |  Subscribe to Comment

Sally Says:
5/18/2009 6:35:53 PM
WHOA FOR GRAMMER GIRL FOR WINNING THE AWARDS!! YEAH...:D
Gary Says:
3/26/2009 1:09:12 AM
RE: Falling-outs. I'm trying to figure out these phrasal verbs and phrasal nouns. Our government is issuing "bailouts". but it "bailed out" AIG or "bailing out" GM. It seems to depend on usage?
Kris Says:
3/3/2009 5:57:47 PM
Bwaha, I read Undead and Unwed. I was shocked when I found you talking about the series here. Great book.
Karla Yenelie Says:
2/26/2009 2:54:29 PM
You heard the 'Undead and Unwed' series? XD I have all of those books. The protagonist reminds me of an intelligent airhead, which is FUN. I just wanted to let you know that I love listening to this podcast. I recently discovered the podcast, and I will be recommending it to my friends. ^_^v
KaliSulis Says:
2/26/2009 12:38:18 PM
it seems to me that the plural of "falling out" would be fall outs? Is that just me? (oh and p.s. - i know the "melencoly" is not spelled that way the proper spelling was taken - at least in terms of email addresses)
KaliSulis Says:
2/26/2009 12:37:56 PM
it seems to me that the plural of "falling out" would be fall outs? Is that just me? (oh and p.s. - i know the "melencoly" is not spelled that way the proper spelling was taken - at least in terms of email addresses)
SWB Says:
2/25/2009 6:31:30 PM
When will "Undead and unplural" be released?
John Says:
2/24/2009 12:27:11 PM
GG: "linguists have groused about "flammable" in usage books ever since." I'm skeptical that linguists are the ones who have groused about this word in usage books. Most usage books aren't even written by linguists.
Cybelle Says:
2/24/2009 11:13:28 AM
Grammar Girl is a great marketer of very old well known grammar rules; updating very old material is not printworthy activity.
Grammar Girl Says:
2/24/2009 10:49:18 AM
I checked with a contact at the American Heritage Dictionary, and he said if there are two different spellings listed, their order reflects common usage. In other words, the spelling listed first is the one that is most commonly used. The caveat is that you never know when they updated the entry, so if common usage is changing rapidly, the entry could be outdated.
Vance Says:
2/23/2009 1:10:53 PM
True story: in my high school Chemistry class, two students decided to test whether the text book was truly as "inflammable" as it claimed on its spine. They were sure that meant "will not catch fire." So, they put it over a Bunsen burner and, sure enough, it burned. What's worse -- the teacher also thought that's what "inflammable" meant, and encouraged the experiment. This post brought me a chuckle as I remembered that silly scene. :)
Nick Rees Says:
2/23/2009 10:53:01 AM
Er, going on => goings on never going ons
Thad Says:
2/23/2009 2:30:38 AM
I like MacBooks Pro and iPhones 3G. ;-)
Sally Says:
2/22/2009 5:31:56 PM
Thanks, GG. But could you try to make new episodes faster? I really lov your episode and I would love it if you make new episodes faster and better. Thank you~~ ^^
Victoria Says:
2/21/2009 4:25:05 AM
"Fiery death," not "firey death." :-)
NS Rachel Says:
2/21/2009 12:52:09 AM
Oops. I only meant to ask that once. Nevertheless, I wonder why it was used here. Please point me to a dictionary or reference that condones the plural of incidence in this context.
NS Rachel Says:
2/21/2009 12:42:32 AM
Incidences?
fatty Says:
2/20/2009 8:55:09 PM
Why do you not provide lyric recent?
SF Susan Says:
2/20/2009 1:51:39 PM
John from Lorain: I hate to continue to take these comments even further off the actual subject of the podcast, but I have some concerns about your correction of GG's sentence (and fragment) to "Last week, I had a terrible cold, the kind of cold in which I AM too tired even to watch TV." First of all, while in some ways this may be technically more correct, it sacrifices much of the drama and impact of the original. Maybe a colon or a dash (in place of the comma) would provide a stronger pause and would better preserve the rhythym (and meaning) of GG's spoken language. Secondly, why did you change "where" to "in which"? I don't believe one is ever "in" a cold. If you have a problem with the use of "where" (although I think it is perfectly correct), then perhaps "from which" or "as a result of which" would be better. I believe GG is correct in changing the pronoun from "I" to "you" in this instance. She is describing a generic kind of cold, i.e., one causing the sufferer--any sufferer--to be extremely tired. So the word would have to be either "you" or "one." On another subject, are you certain of your interpretation of "preferred form" in dictionaries? I would have thought it meant preferred by language experts (possibly a board of experts being consulted by the writers of the dictionary), not just preferred by more speakers. I expect (but do not know for certain) that this would be explained somewhere in the introductory material of each dictionary.
Patricia Zachary Says:
2/20/2009 1:19:18 PM
For those with 'pet peeves' that really irritate them, the lexicographers don't always have the final word. Language is evolving all the time, just like everything else. The popular and accepted usage of any language keeps changing. So relax. Don't get worked up over the way people talk. Learn to meditate be Zen about it. Be kind.
Tim Says:
2/20/2009 11:50:13 AM
John: I agree that the sentence fragment is a problem, and it is easily fixed. It is a problem because it can cause confusion, and the fragment means little on its own. In this case, you are merely correcting a transcription error. Congratulations on that find. The spoken expression will sound the same, and the meaning is intact. I think it is interesting that you find keeping the person consistent more important than correcting the sentence fragment. Also, to boldly split an infinitive is not an error, it is simply a word order choice, and a useful literary tool to those who are not frightened to fully explore and utilize their native tongue. Language is much more fluid than you seem to realize. I agree that deviations from "standard" English which cause dysfunction are a problem to be addressed. Holding to "rules" such as split infinitives and rigid point of view is a lot like insisting that we should dress as they did in the 18th and 19th centuries. Isn't that when we decided that language evolution should end?
Drew Kime Says:
2/20/2009 11:34:44 AM
Andrew, the reason we consult Google is that language is not governed by immutable rules, but by usage. (Except in France.) A dictionary is just a snapshot of how people use words at that time. That's why words get to be "antiquated". As for other exceptions to the plurals: Sergeants Major. And if you really want to say something awkward, describe something possessed jointly by several high-ranking enlisted service members. eg: "They attended the Sergeants Major's award ceremony."
Andrew Says:
2/20/2009 9:29:02 AM
Re: the Google thing. Why do we depend on Google to answer our questions? Some people when they cannot figure out which way to spell at word, they Google it, and whichever gets the most hits simply must be the correct answer. Why?? I totally disagree with this. Google brings up hits from millions of Web sites from millions of bloggers who can't spell! Why do we depend on THEM to answer our spelling questions? My answer to this problem would be: Choose a dictionary you trust, and go with the first spelling listed. Why check multiple dictionaries? I have chosen Merriam-Webster as my dictionary of choice. I do not bother to google or consult other dictionaries. Therefore, I do not have a problem figuring out the spelling of a word.
Andrew Says:
2/20/2009 9:24:39 AM
Kate: I always think of that conversation when this topic comes up! John: I agree with the "you vs. I" topic. So many people recently have been saying things like "You couldn't see through all the smoke in the cabin," and I respond, "I wasn't there." Why is this such an "in" thing to do right now? It's aggravating.
Thomas Says:
2/20/2009 9:19:58 AM
I'm still not sure about "falling-outs." I would think fall-outs would be absolutely correct. Fall is a clear verb, like push in push-ups. Falling is a gerund, so wouldn't it act like a noun? Then fallings-out would be the plural, much like sisters-in-law. By the way, Google Chrome thinks falling-outs is spelled correctly and fallings-out not. So maybe that's the true test.
Kate Says:
2/20/2009 9:17:05 AM
This reminds me of Lorelei and Rory Gilmore's discussion over the French term "culs de sac."
John from Lorain Says:
2/20/2009 5:20:54 AM
GG, you say/write: "When you're looking up something like that in a dictionary, the first option is supposed to be the preferred form." That depends on what you mean by "preferred." If you mean, "recommended by the lexicographer," you are mistaken. If you mean, "used by the more speakers than any other alternative," you are correct. I think that you meant the latter, but I wanted to clarify that for other readers.
John from Lorain Says:
2/20/2009 5:10:55 AM
This program begins with a commercial, the first words of which illustrate three "pet peeves" of mine: "Last week I had a terrible cold. The kind of cold where you're too tired to even watch TV." NO!!! This should have been written/stated as follows: "Last week, I had a terrible cold, the kind of cold in which I AM too tired even to watch TV." Here are the corrections, the third of which is the most important: (1) I combined the opening sentence with the subsequent, illicit sentence fragment; (2) I got rid of the split infinitive [to even watch]; (3) I kept the "person" [point of view] consistent, getting rid of the intrusive and illicit reference to "you." For years, I have been hearing people make this silly error -- switching from "I" to "you" -- apparently out of a misguided desire to show humility by not talking so much about themselves. I scream: "DON'T TELL ME ABOUT ME, as though you can read my mind! Tell me only about YOURSELF, please!"
John from Lorain Says:
2/20/2009 5:02:34 AM
Hello, Steven Pam. Yes, "Grands Prix" and "Governors General" would be correct, but each for a different reason. In French, both "prize" and "prizes" are "Prix," so you could not write, "Grand Prixes."
Steven Pam Says:
2/20/2009 3:04:39 AM
Thanks as always for your lovely tips. Regarding "compound words": what about "Grands Prix" and "Governors General"? I'm sure I've heard others, too; but I can't think of any right now :-) Cheers, Steven

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