Episode Transcript

Greeting Card Grammar
Episode 86: November 30, 2007

 

Grammar Girl here.
 
The holidays are upon us, so it's time to answer questions about how to write greeting cards and party invitations. Here's Elaina:
 
Hi. I have a question about the plural form of last names. For example, if the last name is Alvarez, how do you say “the Alvarezes”? Do you use an apostrophe? Do you not use the s?
 
 
Making Words That End in S or Z Plural
 
To make names that end in z plural, you add -es to the end of the name. So you would say you are going to visit the Alvarezes a-l-v-a-r-e-z-E-S. The same rule applies when names end in s, so the Joneses invite you to dinner j-o-n-e-s-E-S. You don't use an apostrophe to make the names plural.
 
You use an apostrophe to make the names possessive. For example, let's say you went to visit the Alvarezes and then you wanted to write a letter telling your mom about their wonderful house. To make Alvarezes possessive, you add an apostrophe to the end, so you would write “Mom, you should have seen the Alvarezes' house!” That's a-l-v-a-r-e-z-e-s-apostrophe — Alvarezes' [apostrophe] house.
 
So now you've got that: If a name ends in s or z, add -es to make it plural and an apostrophe to make it possessive.
 
Punctuating Salutations
 
Next, if you're writing a holiday letter, you might be interested in a bet that Laura and her husband John recently asked me to settle. Their question is how to write a salutation: How do you write something like “Hi, Squiggly”?
 
It seems straightforward, but it's not. Although most people seem to think that hi is just a friendly substitute for dear, it isn't. Dear is an adjective, but hi is an interjection just like the words indeed, yes, and oh.
 
So technically Hi, Squiggly is a complete sentence that begins with an interjection, and an interjection at the beginning of a sentence is followed by a comma. So the correct way to write this is “Hi, Squiggly.” with a comma after hi and a period after Squiggly: Hi [comma] Squiggly [period]. You could also put an exclamation point at the end, depending on how excited you feel about the greeting.
 
The problem is that almost nobody knows that greetings should be punctuated this way, so it looks weird when you do it right. In fact, it's extremely rare to see an e-mail salutation that uses a comma after the hi. I'm always torn about whether to use the comma. It is correct, but it seems a bit pedantic given the widespread use of the incorrect alternative – especially when you are replying to someone who has already done it the wrong way. Use your own judgment. I usually put it in, but you'll be in good company if you leave it out.
 
Dear Squiggly, (correct)
Hi, Squiggly. (correct)
Hi Squiggly, (widespread to the point of becoming acceptable)
 
Compound Possession and Apostrophes
 
Finally, we've talked about this before, but compound possession can come up in invitations, so I'll go over it again. Imagine that Aardvark and Squiggly live in the same house and they are inviting people over for dinner. The location you are inviting people to is Aardvark and Squiggly's house – with only one apostrophe s. Because they share the house, they share one apostrophe s.
 
If Aardvark and Squiggly live in different houses, and they are having a progressive dinner where they go from one house to the next, then the location on the invitation would read Aardvark's and Squiggly's houses. They don't share the house, so they can't share an apostrophe s. Both names need an apostrophe s: Aardvark's and Squiggly's houses.
 
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Also, since it is easy to get flustered during the holiday season, it's an especially good time to be more mindful of your behavior, and this week Mr. Manners has a great episode about how you can be more considerate of others when you are out on the sidewalk.
 
That's all. Thanks for listening.
 

Comments (21) for Greeting Card Grammar |  Subscribe to Comment

Tyler Says:
2/5/2008 9:59:18 AM
When it comes to the "Hi Squiggly," vs. "Hi, Squiggly." options, I take the middle ground and use "Hi, Squiggly,"--It correctly sets off the interjection, and doesn't make it look condescending if you use it somewhere where someone has already used the "Hi Squiggly," format.
Ms Crafty Says:
12/20/2007 3:47:19 AM
Can I start a holiday card with "Dear Alvarazes,"?
Michelle Says:
12/14/2007 8:45:37 PM
Hi, Grammar Girl. I have a question about signing greeting cards. I keep seeing people sign their Christmas cards by making their last possessive, for example, The Brewton’s. Should a person make their last name possessive or plural, to include every member in the family?
Andre Says:
12/12/2007 2:45:27 PM
Hi, I have a question regarding greeting cards etiquette. I would like to send a Christmas greeting card to my lawyer, and I feel I should somehow include his office staff (receptionist, assistant - unfortunately I do not know their names!) Would it be appropriate to address the card to Mr. John Smith and Staff? What is the proper form of address in this case? Thank you, Andre
Katie Says:
12/11/2007 9:49:57 AM
Thank you, Chad! That's exactly what I was looking for, and I do like his answer. :)
Chad Says:
12/7/2007 1:17:08 PM
Katie: I think this is what you're looking for: http://manners.quickanddirtytips.com/invitation-mr-mrs-ms-miss.aspx
aardvark Says:
12/6/2007 10:16:16 PM
Hi All, I am back and pleased to see that I am still sharing my house with Squiggly. This definitely helps with the rent. Yeah! aardvark and Squiggly's house. And yes, our homes around the world are aardvark and Squiggly's houses.
Katie Says:
12/6/2007 2:48:53 PM
This may be more of a question to ask Mr. Manners, but what about how to address the front of our holiday cards, Mr. and Mrs. John Smith or the less sexist Mr. and Mrs. John and Jane Smith? Or just go with John and Jane Smith and forget the whole problem?
Keith Says:
12/5/2007 10:59:57 AM
I always use a colon in my salutations because I struggled with the interjection issue. For example: Hi, Grammar Girl: Is this an acceptable variation to using a period?
Lyn Says:
12/4/2007 10:31:49 AM
Hi, I listen to your podcast religiously. I keep all of them on my ipod so that I can continue listening. However, I accidentally erased episode one. Is that podcast still available? Thank you.
JL Says:
12/4/2007 3:04:04 AM
Hello Grammar Girl, I stumbled upon your page through Money Girl, and I appreciate the visit from Mr. Manners in one of your episodes. I work for a tax and financial services company, and much of the grammar in the correspondence we send our clients is horrible. I've been told by my superiors that the correspondence should be written at a 4th grade level, but it appears that many employees cannot handle even that level of writing. I taught English to ESL students during my college years, and I had a bit more compassion for them as English was also my second language. But is there any reprieve from the faulty grammar that surrounds me? It's quite disheartening when I see native speakers make a number of usage errors. At any rate, I'm a fan and new subscriber of your show. Cheers.
DreamSciTech Says:
12/4/2007 12:13:29 AM
Hi, Grammar Girl. In our submitted and published papers, we always have the uncertainty of using either “between actual and predicted frequencies” or “between actual and predicted frequency” because some copy editors allow us to use frequencies but some change to frequency. Now, we understood that our frequency is related to a single position in protein, thus the actual and predicted share the same frequency. Is it right?
Grammar Girl Says:
12/3/2007 9:14:16 PM
Laura, you add an "s" to names that end in "y," so they are the Polinskys.
Laura Says:
12/3/2007 8:20:14 PM
How do you make a name that ends in a Y plural? I have friends with the last name Polinsky. When I see them, am I meeting the Polinskies or Polinskys?
Grammar Girl Says:
12/3/2007 5:37:08 PM
DreamSciTech: I'm not sure I understand your question. Aardvark and Squiggly's house means one house shared by Aardvark and Squiggly. Aardvark and Squiggly's houses means multiple houses shared by Aardvark and Squiggly.
DreamSciTech Says:
12/3/2007 6:39:48 AM
Can we say that Aardvark and Squiggly's house = between actual and predicted frequency, and Aardvark and Squiggly's houses = between actual and predicted frequencies?
Ryan Says:
12/1/2007 12:34:45 AM
I always just work around it and write something like "The Jones Family" or "The Alvarez family"
John Says:
11/30/2007 11:23:17 PM
According to the Oxford Companion to the English Language, the use of the apostrophe to mark the plural of proper names (as in the Jones's) is standard. Of course, the form without the apostrophe (the Joneses) is also standard.
Grammar Girl Says:
11/30/2007 8:37:11 PM
Hi, Evan. The difference between your question and this episode is that you are asking about making a singular noun possessive and I was talking about making word that ends in "s" or "z" plural and making a plural noun that ends in "s" or "z" possessive. (My copy editor recommended that I include a section that would have answered your question, but I had already covered it in a different episode and I thought it would make this episode too long.) The answer to your question is on this page: http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/apostrophe-plural-grammar-rules.aspx
Evan Says:
11/30/2007 6:28:44 PM
What about names that actually end with an "s", such as "Chris"? I'd always been taught to just stick an apostrophe on the end and be done with it. e.g., "I'm going to Chris' house." instead of "I'm going to Chrises house."
Ruby Says:
11/30/2007 5:48:21 PM
Your comment about adding "es" to names that end in "z" is right on, but it reminds me of time when it backfired. When I was 14, my family moved to a small, rural town in Ohio. My dad wanted to put our last name, "Metz," on the mailbox. He wanted to use the apostrophe, but I convinced him to use the correct "The Metzes." A few months later, we found out that our backwoods neighbors all thought we were Hispanic because we had dark hair and because our last name was, as they pronounced it, "Metz-eez." We moved away from that town within a year, but we still laugh about alternative last name.

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