Episode Transcript

“It Is I” Versus “It Is Me”
Episode 79: October 12, 2007

Grammar Girl here, or actually for this episode I should say, “'Tis I, Grammar Girl, here to help you understand when to use the words I and me.”.

So this week, Jodie wanted to know which is correct: It is I or It is me. She says that when she answers the phone and the person asks, "Is Jodie there?" she usually responds by saying, "This is she." But one of her friends says this is incorrect, and now they have a $5 bet on the question.  

Wow! Ryan, David, Jane, and Iljitsch also asked this question, but they don't have money riding on the answer.
 
The short answer is that Jodie wins. The traditional grammar rule states when a pronoun follows a linking verb, such as is, it should be in the subject case. That means it is correct to say, “It is I,” and “It was he who dropped the phone in shock when Jodie answered, 'This is she.'”
 
Linking verbs are words like is, was, were, appear, and seem, which don't describe an action so much as describe a state of being. When pronouns follow these non-action verbs, you use the subject pronouns such as I, she, he, they, and we.
 
Here are some more correct examples:
 
Who called Jodie? It was he.
Who told you about it? It was I.
Who had the phone conversation? It must have been they.
Who cares? It is we.
 
Now the problem is that 90 percent of you are almost certainly thinking, “Well, that all sounds really weird. Is she serious?”
 
Well, yes, I'm serious, and that is the traditional rule, but fortunately most grammarians forgive you for not following the rule. In her aptly titled book Woe Is I, Patricia O'Connor notes that almost everyone says, “It is me,” and that the “It is I” construction is almost extinct (1). Most other grammarians agree that unless you're answering the phone for the English department at the University of Chicago or responding to a Supreme Court judge, it's OK to use what sounds right and therefore, “That's me” is an acceptable answer (2, 3, 4, 5). So even though Jodie is technically correct, it would probably be more fair for her and her friend to take the $5 and go get a cold beverage together.
 
On a related note, a listener named Jane wanted to know whether it is correct to say, “Rather you than me,” or “Rather you than I,” and the answer is similar to the “it is I” situation.
 
Traditional grammar rules state that you use the subject pronoun, I, after words such as than and as. So the correct answer is that when Jane's friends are in trouble, she can say, “Rather you than I.” On the other hand, using the object pronoun, me, is so common that most grammarians also accept “Rather you than me.”
 
I hate it when language is in flux like this because it's easy to get confused. But a lot of people have asked me these questions, and in the end, I believe it's best to know the traditional rules and then if you decide to break them you can do so knowingly and with conviction.
 

Last weekend I went to the Portable Media Expo in California and met a great bunch of other podcasters. It was a blast and if you ever get the chance to attend, you should go. We're having a smaller free shindig in Phoenix in early November called Podcamp Arizona and I'll put a link in the blog for people who are interested.

Here's another bonus: I created a quiz on Facebook to go with this episode. You have to become my Facebook friend, but then you can take the quiz and see how much you've learned. It's pretty easy to do, so if people take the quiz, I'll keep making them for each episode.

You can find a transcript of this podcast, my contact information, and all the other great Quick and Dirty Tips podcasts at quickanddirtytips.com. Also, I'm working on a new, more informal podcast called “Behind the Grammar,” which will also be up on the website, probably just embedded in this show's transcript for now.

 
So until next time, it is I, Grammar Girl, who thank you for listening.
 
References
 
1.      O'Connor, P. Woe Is I. New York: Penguin Putnam, 1996, p. 10.
2.      Straus, J. The Blue Book of Grammar and Punctuation. Ninth Edition. Mill Valley: Jane Straus, 2006, p. 17.
3.      Brians, P. Common Errors in English Usage. Wilsonville: William, James & Co, 2003. p.132.
4.      Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, Springfield: Merriam-Webster, 1994, p. 628.
5.      HiDuke, J. “Frequently Asked Questions.” Dr. Grammar Website, 2001, http://www.drgrammar.org/faqs/#73 (accessed October 9, 2007).
 
 
 
 

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R D Says:
3/27/2009 12:58:14 AM
Thanks for the information! Grammar Girl, when you used the phrase "the subject case"(referring to the pronoun form), did you mean "the nominative case"? Bravo for your comment (below) regarding the use of the objective case in a prepositional phrase! It is like nails on a chalk board when a well-educated friend of mine says, "between he and I."
Jane Says:
2/28/2009 5:58:59 PM
Which is correct ? These girls are twins. " Holly & Emily's 3rd birthday " ?? " Holly & Emilys' 3rd birthdays " ?? OR should I just copt out and say " the birthdays of Holly & Emily " ???? Does anyone know for sure ?
Jackson Says:
1/30/2009 7:26:15 PM
Will you please recommend a book of traditional grammar rules?
Jennifer Says:
1/24/2009 6:18:07 PM
Question about I vs me. Is it correct to say: Thank you for meeting with Lindsay and me or is it Thank you for meeting with Lindsay and I. I think the first is correct, but need confirmation because my husband agrees with the "I". Thanks!
cacher Says:
1/6/2009 11:52:07 AM
I wonder whether it should have been "So until next time, it is I, Grammar Girl, who thanks you for listening" (see, 'thanks' here instead of 'thank')
Jimmy Says:
11/8/2008 11:45:51 AM
"So until next time, it is I, Grammar Girl, who thank you for listening." You who do what? HA!
Marketing Girl Says:
9/30/2008 2:49:44 PM
Is it better to be right or sound right... I thought it should say: "In the mean time, please feel free to call Colin or I at xxx-xxx-xxxx", but I was told grammatically it should say "In the mean time, please feel free to call Colin or me at ...", if I have to go with the 2nd option then I'd almost want to change me to "myself"... what do you think?
Suzanne Says:
7/3/2008 3:50:46 PM
I don't know if anyone is still following this but I am hung up on a related issue. Should I use "I" or "me" after "like?" "My son looks like me" seems correct. However, "my son walks like me" does not because I could rewrite it as "my son walks like I do." Any thoughts?
gary ganey Says:
6/8/2008 10:57:28 AM
example: Due to the fact that the gates along elm street was never observed to be closed it would be considered a security problem. ( I wnat to say were but the grammer check keeps changing it to was.
Tina Says:
4/28/2008 3:26:10 PM
Grammar Girl, here is a suggestion: Please add a comma between the following two sentences. "We're having a smaller free shindig in Phoenix in early November called Podcamp Arizona and I'll put a link in the blog for people who are interested.
Albert Says:
2/7/2008 7:45:43 PM
In answer to Ro's question: In "It is between you and I", both 'you' and 'I' are governed by the preposition 'between'. Therefore it has to be "It is between you and me." I have to admit that "between" is a tricky preposition. Some British newsreaders, when there are two of them, will say at the end of the bulletin, "Good-night from John and from me" to avoid saying "Good-night from John and me", which they know is right, but now almost begins to sound wrong since so many people seem to think "Good-night from John and I" is correct. Many prepositions can be repeated like this, which tells you what the correct form is when you do not repeat the preposition. "This is for you and for me", "He gave them to you and to me", "He is coming with you and with me". But you cannot do this with "between". "It is between you and between me" isn't English. The use of the verb "to be" makes no difference. AS Grammar Girl has posted elsewhere, "between you and I" is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
ro Says:
2/5/2008 10:15:26 AM
Question: What about when the pronoun that comes after a linking verb like "to be" is the object of a prepositional phrase? For example: "It is between you and I" ... Whether this sentence is being used as an idiomatic expression or specifically saying that the object is physically located between you and me, should we use "me" or "I"? Is there an understood "located" after "is" in both cases? Thus "is" becomes part of an understood helping verb?
Albert Says:
1/14/2008 7:38:38 PM
Sorry to be monopolising this area, but I have a question. If you google "who is without sin cast the first stone", you will get what looks like a roughly equal number of qotes that begin with "Let he ..." and "Let him ..." The Authorised Version of the Bible gives "Let him ..." What do you think, Grammar Girl? In other languages, they might use the subjunctive for what is effectively a third person imperative. We could say "May he who is without sin ...", which is the nearest we have to a subjuctive, but the construction using "let", which is the equivalent of "allow", has to be followed by "him".
Albert Says:
1/14/2008 7:22:05 PM
I have to correct my previous submission, where I wrote that "Thanks" is only used with the second person singular. I meant that "thanks" is only used with the THIRD person singular. Your item about proofreading/copy editing was good, but I was typing in the early hours of the morning (UK time) and missed that mistake.
Albert Says:
1/11/2008 10:07:17 PM
I have a lot of comments about some of the questions and answers posted here. Mostly it comes down to what I've posted elsewhere. Our language works by a lot of conventions and conventions change with time. Some people think that grammar and syntax do not matter so long as we all understand each other. As GG says, "It is I" just sounds wrong (now). AJK posted '"rather you than I" is best for the same reason ...' He (or she) should have written '"rather you than I" is BETTER for the same reason ...,' because we use the comparative form of an adjective when we have two things to compare. We only use the superlative form when there are more than two things being compared. Thanks, GG, for pointing out to Adam that "between you and I" is wrong. I have never heard an American (on British TV) get it right. Most Brits now get it wrong too. I should be careful about using the word "wrong". Nothing is "right" or "wrong", some usages are accepted and some aren't. Eventually, when almost everyone gets it "wrong", there is a switch, and the convention has changed. The dictionary of the future may read: "between you and me" - archaic or obsolete form of "between you and I". rpmason is wrong in his analysis of "It is I, Grammar Girl, who thank you". "I" certainly does not take a plural verb! What nonsense! It is merely the fact that English has lost most of the inflexions of verbs. Most regular verbs only have two forms, for example "thank" and "thanks". "Thank" is used with the first and second person singular, and the first, second and third person plural. "Thanks" is only used with the second person singular. Think of the song "I, I who have (NOT has) nothing, I, I who have no one ..." Grammar girl is not the subject of the clause ("It" is the subject of the sentence.)"who" is the subject of the clause, but "who" has to agree in person and number with "I". "Grammar Girl" is a noun phrase in apposition to "I", which therefore takes on the number and person of "I". If GG had written: "It is Grammar Girl who thanks you." that would have been correct because she would have been speaking of herself in the third person (as some people do - remember David Copperfield's Barkiss who said, "Barkiss is willin'.") In answer to Graham, it really is not much use going to another language for guidance. But, in this case, he is right and wrong! The French say "C'est moi", but this does not translate as "It is me". "Moi" is a form of "je" (I), used for emphasis as in "Moi, je t'aime", which is difficult to translate without a 'bold' or 'underline' function in this text box. I it were translated it would read "I [underlined or in italic or in bold] love you" (as opposed to that other person who says he does, but who is lying). Finally, I have to disagree with GG over the possessive apostrophe in "Chris's story". My take on thisa is that we should write what we say. We say "Krissez story", so we write "Chris's story". We say "Dikkenz novels" so we write "Dickens' novels". We don't say "Dikkenzez novels" so we don't write "Dickens's novels". As for Kate, someone has been telling you a load of b*llocks. There is no difference between "It was Bob, Jessica and I" and "It was Bob and I". Both are formally correct, and "It was Bob, Jessica and me" and "It was Bob and me" are both casually correct.
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12/5/2007 12:00:00 AM
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Rutu Says:
12/4/2007 8:10:00 PM
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Kim Says:
11/26/2007 2:07:31 PM
Hi... Can anyone tell me which sentence structure is correct? The message is displayed in the pop-up window. OR The message displays in the pop-up window. And also answer WHY which of the above is correct citing the grammar rule? Thanks!
tiara Says:
11/20/2007 12:19:15 AM
wow... fantastic i am very happy to see this website. i know this website from oprah winfrey show.
John Says:
10/31/2007 12:00:00 AM
The wonderful Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage is now available for free at Google Books: http://tinyurl.com/37jx9f "it's me" is on page 566. In short, both "it's me" and "it's I" are common and standard. "It's I" tends to be used in "more formal or more stuffy" situations.
Kate Says:
10/30/2007 7:29:43 PM
"It was Bob and I" is correct as opposed to "it was Bob and me" but someone told me there is a rule that "me" applies when there's more than one other person, ie "it was Bob, Jessica and me" as opposed to "it was Bob, Jessica and I." Please help! This is driving me bonkers!
Layla Says:
10/27/2007 12:26:32 AM
Hey again! Thanks rpmason :0) That was wonderfully helpful! And Grammar Girl - a pearler (Australian for 'brilliant!') of a site that untangles many knots for me ;0) Cheers mate, Layla
John Says:
10/22/2007 5:53:26 PM
Grammar Girl, I know there is disagreement about "than". You said that the language was in flux - it's not in flux. "than" has been both a preposition and conjunction since the 16th century. What's in flux is usage commentators' not always well-informed opinions. Lowth 1762 was of the opinion that "than" should only be a conjuction, and Priestley 1769 thought it should be a preposition. There has been disagreement ever since.
Eli Says:
10/17/2007 10:03:48 PM
Hi Grammar Girl, Thanks for a great podcast. I'm wondering about a related issue: the use of the phrase "This is..." versus "I'm...". I'm specifically referring to people on television, radio, and podcasts. "I'm John Jacobs coming to you live from City Hall...." sounds better to me than: "This is John Jacobs coming to you live from City Hall...", but I don't know which is correct. Thanks in advance, Eli
Megan Perkins Says:
10/17/2007 7:34:55 PM
In class we are learning about teh apostrophe. I was wondering if it's correct to use it like this: The Perkins' returant was closed down.
Grammar Girl Says:
10/17/2007 12:52:29 PM
Layla and rpmason, I agree that this wasn't an easy sentence to deconstruct. I first went at it the same way rpmason did, but ended up deciding that because "Grammar Girl" is surrounded by commas, it is a non-essential element and therefore the part of the sentence you take out. That leaves "It is I who thank you."
Grammar Girl Says:
10/17/2007 12:45:35 PM
Nicole, it is acceptable to write "Chris' story" or "Chris's story." It is a style issue, and I covered the topic in episode 35: http://urltea.com/1smf.
Graham Says:
10/17/2007 12:30:03 PM
We should be informed by the French, who had a lot to do with how English has been spoken over the last thousand years or so. They say "c'est moi", not "c'est je"
rpmason Says:
10/17/2007 12:19:57 PM
In the sentence, we have a proper noun, 'Grammar Girl', and two pronouns, 'I' and 'who'. The actual subject of the sentence is 'Grammar Girl'. Usually nouns and verbs agree (singular singular, plural plural): he borrows, she loves, they require. But the pronoun 'I' always takes a plural verb: I borrow, I love, I require. So reducing the sentence to "Grammar Girl thanks you" gives you the correctly written, "It is I, Grammar Girl, who thanks you." Took me a while to figure that one out. Fun!
Nicole Says:
10/17/2007 11:31:04 AM
Is writing - Chris's story correct?
Layla Says:
10/17/2007 3:14:35 AM
I didn't quite follow the problem in the last sentence. Why should it be 'thank' instead of 'thanks'?
Grammar Girl Says:
10/16/2007 2:12:28 PM
Thanks, Martha. Good catch!
Martha Says:
10/16/2007 8:25:50 AM
There was an error in the last sentence of the broadcast. "It is I, Grammar Girl, who THANKS you?" I don't think so. "Who" is first person, just like the "I" it replaces. Should be "I ... who THANK you.
Adam Says:
10/15/2007 5:21:54 PM
Thanks for the response, and sorry for the double post :).
Grammar Girl Says:
10/14/2007 9:52:09 PM
Adam, "for" is a preposition and you use object pronouns (e.g., "me," "her," "him") after prepositions. That's the reason it's correct to say "between you and me" instead of "between you and I" -- "between" is also a preposition. It would be OK to say, "She and her friend went to get a soda," because "she" is in the subject position in that sentence.
Adam Says:
10/14/2007 3:47:17 PM
"...it would probably be more fair for her and her friend to take the $5 and go get a cold beverage together." Are there circumstances in which one might say "she and her friend?" I suspect that it is written correctly here, both because it's Grammar Girl and because omitting the "and her" would leave "for her... to take," which seems correct. To my ear, though, "she and her friend" sounds like it's what should be said. Am I just wrong?
Adam Says:
10/14/2007 3:46:49 PM
"...it would probably be more fair for her and her friend to take the $5 and go get a cold beverage together." Are there circumstances in which one might say "she and her friend?" I suspect that it is written correctly here, both because it's Grammar Girl and because omitting the "and her" would leave "for her... to take," which seems correct. To my ear, though, "she and her friend" sounds like it's what should be said. Am I just wrong?
stephentrepreneur Says:
10/14/2007 3:26:54 AM
I. Got taught that thirty-odd years ago (or is that thirty odd-years ago?). Sounds educated. Even if you isn't (hehe).
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10/14/2007 2:56:43 AM
Grammar Girl Says:
10/14/2007 12:52:14 AM
There's an excellent and detailed discussion at Bartleby.com about whether "than" and "as" are conjunctions or prepositions in sentences like "He is taller than I": http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/052.html. The short answer is that there is disagreement.
Grammar Girl Says:
10/13/2007 11:47:40 PM
Can't Play. I just fixed the link. Sorry for the inconvenience.
John Says:
10/13/2007 9:33:36 PM
"Rather you than me" is not a case of the language being in flux, it's a case of some people thinking that "than" is a conjuction and not a preposition. But it is a preposition, and can be followed by object pronouns: "You are taller than me." A man no mightier than thyself or me - Shakespeare, Julius Caesar, 1600 "Than" is also a conjunction, and so can be followed by a clause or small clause: "you are taller than I am/you are taller than I." "than" as a preposition has never been wrong.
AJK Says:
10/13/2007 7:32:55 PM
"rather you than I" is best for the same reason that "I am taller than she." I am taller than she (is), not I am taller than her (is); the "is" is implied. (I would) rather you (get the C in grammar class) than I (get the C in grammar class).
CantPlay Says:
10/13/2007 5:52:11 PM
Am I the only one that can't play or download this week's episode? Neither link works for me.
CantPlay Says:
10/13/2007 5:48:44 PM
Am I the only one that can't play or download this week's episode? Neither link works for me.
Grammar Girl Says:
10/13/2007 5:48:16 PM
Peter, search for "Mignon Fogarty" on Facebook and you'll find me.
Peter Says:
10/13/2007 12:26:25 PM
How do I find you on Facebook? I'm fairly new to it.
saturnyne Says:
10/12/2007 9:08:32 PM
Should I use "I" or "Me" on photo captions? I see a lot of photo captions using "Me" (Sara, John, and Me) but I have a feeling that it should be "I." Help! Thanks!
Susan Says:
10/12/2007 4:22:22 PM
I think this lesson was first taught to me via Sesame Street and a blue muppet named Grover. Thanks GrammerGirl, I enjoy the podcast a lot!
EJ Says:
10/12/2007 12:49:58 PM
Woe to you, Grammar Girl. You are wrong about "Woe is I." See Jan Freeman's comments at http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/brainiac/2007/03/woe_is_us_part.html and http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/brainiac/2007/03/woe_is_us_conti.html

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