Episode Transcript

Daylight-Saving Time
Episode 82: November 01, 2007

Grammar Girl here.

Many parts of the world are moving from daylight-saving time (also called summer time) to standard time this week, so I thought it would be a good time to talk about the phrase “daylight-saving time” and time in general.

Most usage guides recommend using a hyphen, so the phrase is
daylight[hyphen]saving time with no capital letters. Also it is saving, not savings, time. Just remember that you are saving time, daylight time, to be exact. That's the reason for the hyphen too -- daylight-saving is a compound modifier that applies to time.

Time Zones

Most countries have signed on to the idea of a standard world time system For them the world is divided into 24 time zones, and each zone differs by an hour from the time zone next to it. Not everyone uses this system, though. Some time zones don't participate in daylight-saving time, and a few places divide their region into half-hour zones. Actually it's even more complicated than that. Arizona, for example, doesn't participate in daylight-saving time, but other states in the same time zone do. So during standard time, it is the same time in Arizona and Utah, but during daylight-saving time, it is an hour earlier later in Arizona. Because of this confusion, I'm always having to explain time zones to business associates who are in other states.

If you need to indicate that a time is in a certain time zone, the simplest way to do it is to put the time zone abbreviation in parentheses after the time; for example, 4:00 p.m. (EST) [for eastern standard time].

[Note: I couldn't find a convincing rule about capitalizing time zone names.
The Chicago Manual of Style lists the full names in lowercase, with Pacific in Pacific time zone capitalized. The Associated Press Stylebook recommends capitalizing each word in the name when you write it out. Both guides use all caps when abbreviating the names (e.g., PST, EST).]

AM and PM


Also, there are at least two acceptable ways to write a.m. and p.m., which are abbreviations for ante meridiem and post meridiem. Ante meridiem is Latin for "before noon" and post meridiem is Latin for "after noon." Note that it is meridieM, with an m, not meridiaN, with an n.

You can write a.m. and p.m. as lowercase letters with periods after them or as small capitals without periods (1, 2). Either way, there should be a space between the time and the a.m. or p.m. that follows. Although small capitals used to be preferred, it's now more common to see lowercase letters followed by periods (a.m. and p.m.)(3). I suspect this is because it’s so hard to make small caps on a computer.

Noon and Midnight


Remember how I said a.m. means "before noon" and p.m. means "after noon"? So what about noon, then? Technically, noon is neither a.m. nor p.m. Although it's common to see noon written as 12:00 p.m. and midnight written as 12:00 a.m., it's not correct and can confuse people. It's better to stick with just the words noon and midnight (4, 5, 6).


Period of Time


There are also a couple common redundancies that relate to time.

For example, it's redundant to say "8:00 a.m. in the morning." By including the a.m.
you've already indicated that it's morning.

It's also usually redundant to use the phrase "period of time." Marc in Long Beach, California, wrote in about this recently: He thought it would be better to say, "O.J. drove his van for a long time" than "O.J. drove his van for a long period of time." And Marc's right; there's no reason to say period of time when time will do just fine (7, 8). Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage argues that occasionally including the words period of
adds clarity (9), but I'm willing to bet that 19 times out of 20 you can leave them out without causing confusion.


Mobile Grammar Girl


I just discovered that you can get the Grammar Girl podcast on a Nokia cell phone. I don't have a Nokia phone, so I can't tell you how it works, but Nokia tells me they have a podcast portal for their cell phone users.

Administrative Stuff

You can find a transcript of this podcast, my contact information, and all the other great Quick and Dirty Tips podcasts at quickanddirtytips.com. I'm on the road and recorded this episode early, so there won't be a Facebook quiz or Behind the Grammar episode this week.

Finally, in case you were wondering, in 2007 in the United States, daylight-saving time ends on the first Sunday in November (10), so set your clocks back one hour before you go to bed on Saturday November 3.

My time's up, so that's all. Thanks for listening!

References

1. "Time of Day," The Chicago Manual of Style. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 2006, section 15.44.
2. "Date and Time," The American Heritage Guide to Contemporary Usage and Style. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2005, p.131.
3. Garner, B. Garner's Modern English Usage. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2003, p. 39.
4. Brians, P. Common Errors in English Usage. Wilsonville: William, James & Co., 2003, p. 10.
5. Garner, B. Garner's Modern American Usage. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2003, p. 39.
6. Goldstein, N., ed. The Associated Press Stylebook and Libel Manual. Reading: Perseus Books, 1998, p. 208.
7. Garner, B. Garner's Modern American Usage. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2003, p. 599.
8. Brians, P. Common Errors in English Usage. Wilsonville: William, James & Co., 2003, p. 205.
9. Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage. Springfield: Merriam-Webster, 1994, p. 728.
10. Aldrich, B. "Saving Time, Saving Energy," California Energy Commission Web Site. http://www.energy.ca.gov/daylightsaving.html (accessed October 26, 2007).


Comments (26) for Daylight-Saving Time |  Subscribe to Comment

LJ Says:
10/1/2008 9:40:36 AM
As an Arizonan we do tend to keep track of other time zones since we do not change to saving time therefore spend half the year under Mountain Time and the other half under Pacific Time. I came to your site looking for whether a space is or is not used when citing time 7:00pm or 7:00 pm. No space seems to be creeping into general usage so I was unsure if that rule had changed; it has not. Regarding difficulty in using small caps, if you use Microsoft Word, highlight the text, go to format, select font, and place a check mark in the small caps box.
Steph Says:
6/4/2008 2:21:32 PM
What is the correct way to address business hours? Should it be 2 to 6 p.m. or 2 - 6 p.m?
Rae Says:
3/7/2008 11:11:59 PM
Is it acceptable to write 2 p.m. instead of 2:00 p.m.? Also, when writing out times for an event, which is better? 1) from 4:00–8:00 p.m. or 2) from 4:00 p.m. – 8:00 p.m.? Thanks! You rock, Grammar Girl.
Scott Says:
12/2/2007 7:44:01 PM
At my nation-wide company, co-workers are pretty good about specifying time-zones for meetings (e.g., 2:00 PM EST). However they tend to use 'EST' all the time, even when we are in EDT. I wish they would just write, "ET". Among other reasons, I personally always forget if we're in EST or EDT. I'll also note that international standards for topics such as Aviation (where a plane may be in one time-zone talking to an air-traffic controller in another, or crossing numerous time and date zones on a flight from New York to Hong Kong) use GMT. Always.
The Monster Says:
11/27/2007 12:01:33 AM
So during standard time, it is the same time in Arizona and Utah, but during daylight-saving time, it is an hour <strike>earlier</strike> later in Arizona. You were right the first time. When it's 5:00 pm MDT, it's 4:00 pm MST. The last time I checked, 4 pm was earlier than 5 pm. And to complicate things even further, the Navajo Nation observes DST across state boundaries, including a large portion of AZ.
Evan Says:
11/22/2007 7:12:28 PM
Opps, I almost forgot. http://www.timeanddate.com/ is a very handy resource.
Evan Says:
11/22/2007 7:11:11 PM
Your discussion on daylight-saving time was a bit parochial. For one thing, if you live in the southern hemisphere, you are likely to be moving from standard time to daylight-saving time, not the other way around. Also, using abbreviations such as EST and EDT can be ambiguous as, while they may be unique within the one country, they are not necessarily unique or commonly known world wide. Other countries may also use the same abbreviations for their local timezones. If you want to be completely unambiguous, you should specify your timezone in relation to Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), or Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) if you want to be particularly fussy. 12:30 p.m. GMT-5 is completely unambiguous. (Another tangent is that some locales usually write times in 24-hour format, such as 14:00 instead of 2:00 p.m., so you really want to make sure you include the a.m. or p.m. indication or you might end up having people attend twelve hours apart! And don't even get me started on dates like 11/23/2007 vs. 23/11/2007 vs. 2007-11-23. Or worse still, 11/23/07. (Opps, too late!) Although my native is 23/11/2007, I tend to use either 2007-11-23 or 23-Nov-2007 because I figure they are probably the most unambiguous internationally.)
Grammar Girl Says:
11/9/2007 12:45:36 PM
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John Says:
11/8/2007 9:34:24 PM
Thank you! I always cringe around this time of the year.
shantrell Says:
11/8/2007 3:21:53 PM
cool tips bout grammer and could u email me back bout more grammer thanks got to go have anice day
time bandit Says:
11/7/2007 8:41:05 PM
There is a difference between saying "I drove my car for a long time" and "I drove my car for a long period of time." "I drove my car for a long time" may mean that I had the same car for ten years, a long time. "I drove my car for a long period of time" indicates that I drove non-stop for 15 hours.
Karla Says:
11/7/2007 3:06:45 PM
Being from Arizona and working with a company that is based on the East Coast, I find that it is helpful for them to just say that the time is in their time zone. There is no need to worry about what time we are in. Just make sure that when you schedule a meeting that you specify at least one time zone. In Arizona we're used to having to know if we're 2 or 3 hours different from them.
Carolyn Gonzales Says:
11/7/2007 12:03:57 PM
I have been told that my grammer is poor. What is the best way to impove my grammer?
Grammar Girl Says:
11/6/2007 10:09:31 PM
Rpmason, I agree with W. Dean. It seems to me that people often don't even know whether it is standard time or daylight-saving time. It doesn't hurt to use EST or PST, but I've certainly seen people write PST when it is daylight-saving time, so I think it's fine to say just eastern time or Pacific time. It's better to leave off a detail than to get it wrong! Also, after living in Arizona and missing enough meetings because of time-zone confusion, I like to spell things out as clearly as possible, so I appreciate it when people say something like "We're meeting at 1:00 p.m. eastern time -- that's 10:00 a.m. your time." (Of course, then you need to make sure you do the conversion right.)
Grammar Girl Says:
11/6/2007 8:51:06 PM
DL, the quizzes go with specific episodes, and there isn't a quiz to go with this episode, so there isn't a link on this page. The link to the quizzes are on the pages they go with. I'll see what I can do about changing the design to make it easier to find them. In the meantime, you can search for me (Mignon Fogarty) on Facebook.
Jon Says:
11/6/2007 12:28:00 PM
On a related topic, I listen to a podcast, which I will not name unless waterboarded, that describes itself as "a facts based journey." I know this is wrong, wrong, wrong, and that it should be "a fact-based journey". Can anyone point me to the rule on why I'm right? Thanks.
DL Says:
11/6/2007 8:22:36 AM
Where is this facebook quiz? And how would I friend you on facebook? As a search for "Grammar Girl" didn't turn up anything. You should put a link on your website.
W. Dean Says:
11/5/2007 7:51:52 PM
I discourage people from using ?ST and ?DT because they often use the one they're *in*. When the event is on the other side of a transition, that's a timezone no one else will be using the week of the event. Just say "Pacific", "Mountain," "Central," or "Eastern". Trust that no one will think your event might be observing daylight time when the locals are not, nor vice versa. I can see that Arizona would still be an exception. They need to remind people that they are *still* going to be in their standard time when their neighbors spring forward.
rpmason Says:
11/5/2007 9:13:10 AM
Thanks for the great article. In a past job, I sent emails notifying customers of upcoming computer maintenance and such. We simply said 8:00 p.m. CT / 9:00 p.m ET. Is that an appropriate option? P.S. I'm terrible with time zone changes too.
Grammar Girl Says:
11/4/2007 3:56:34 PM
Guang Wu: Dang! You're right; I can't believe I got that wrong. Well, actually, I can. For some reason, I have a hard time keeping time zones (and time changes) straight. FMlyons: Yes, I agree. The abbreviations during daylight-saving time are PDT, EDT, etc.
Guang WU Says:
11/4/2007 2:40:56 AM
Arizona is one hour later, not earlier!
FMLyons Says:
11/3/2007 11:21:35 PM
Grammar Grater of MPR says this week we can correctly return to PST (if you live on the Pacific Coast). But last week it was PDT for Pacific Daylight Saving-Time. Do you agree or is this another "style" issue?
Grammar Girl Says:
11/3/2007 8:03:50 PM
I'm glad you enjoyed the article. - Mignon
Pinky Says:
11/3/2007 2:53:31 AM
Helpful article. My 7-year-old son had just asked me the meaning of a.m. and p.m., thanks to you.
Mike Says:
11/2/2007 4:31:10 PM
Interesting article...
Joe Says:
11/2/2007 9:13:37 AM
Good Article

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