Episode Transcript

Misusing “So” and “Very”
Episode 80: October 19, 2007

Grammar Girl here.

Today's topic is something I am very guilty of doing myself: overusing the words so and very.

A listener named Taryn wrote in asking if it is acceptable to write that she is "sooooooo" happy that she is going to the prom (using so with lots of little o's), which got me thinking about not only the word so but also the word very.

Both words are often used as intensifiers, meaning they allow you to express that you are happier than just happy.

In the formal writing world, both words are looked down upon, but so (by itself) is considered worse than very (1).

Misusing So

When you're speaking, emphasizing the word so seems to add punch to a simple statement -- I'm sooooo happy -- and this is why Taryn is tempted to write the word with so many o's: She's used to saying that she's "soooooo" happy, which is fine in informal conversation. But style guides say it should be avoided in writing. There's even a strange discussion in Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary of English Usage about whether using so for emphasis is a distinctly female failing, with the Dictionary concluding that it's a universal error although other commentators link it specifically to women (2). 

On the other hand, when so is paired with that, it becomes more acceptable in writing. For example, even though it's considered bad form to write, "I was so happy," it's OK to write, "I was so happy that I jumped for joy." When you say you are so happy that you jumped for joy, so becomes an indefinite adverb of degree instead of a vague intensifier. In other words, so leads into a thought about how happy you were. How happy were you? So happy that you jumped for joy.  The grammar mavens find it much more acceptable when so is linked to another clause like that (2, 3).

Overusing Very

Let’s move on. Unlike with the word so, it's not considered a mistake to use the word very by itself for emphasis. Nevertheless, most style guides warn against overdoing it. Instead of saying, "I was very hungry," they encourage you to search for a single more creative adjective
something like "I was famished," or "I was ravenous." Replacing two simple words like very hungry with one more descriptive word like ravenous makes your writing tighter and usually more interesting, too (4, 5).

Long-time listeners may remember that the issue of very as an intensifier came up when I talked about
modifying absolutes. Most people believe that very is out of place and not the best choice in phrases like very unique and very dead, where it modifies something that doesn't have degrees.

Still, very shouldn't be banished from the language. Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage notes that E.B. White used the repetition of very to excellent effect in a letter, writing, "It was a day of very white clouds, very blue skies, and very dark green spruces." White is the co-author of the famous style guide known as Strunk & White and formally titled The Elements of Style, and I agree that the effect would be lost if White had written, "It was a day of snowy clouds, oceanic skies, and evergreen spruces."

In addition, The Chicago Manual of Style has numerous headings that include the word very: “Very Long Titles,” “Very Wide Tables,” “Very Large Numbers,” and so on. It would seem silly if the guide’s titles were something more creative like “Lengthy Titles,” “Expansive Tables,” and “Humongous” Numbers. Very long, very wide, and very large get the point across more clearly (although Chicago could probably also get away with just long, wide, and large) (6, 7, 8).

Finally, I shouldn't have to tell you this, but just to be safe, very is spelled v-e-r-y. Vary with an a (v-a-r-y) is a verb that means "to differ or change."

Summary

So to summarize, don't use the word so by itself as an intensifier in formal writing, and be careful when you use the word very. It's usually better to use a stronger adjective to describe something than to throw a so or a very in front of a weak adjective. You can use very as an intensifier when it creates a nice effect or is the clearest choice, but make sure you aren't dropping it in just because you're being lazy.

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References

1. Brians, P. Common Errors in English Usage. Wilsonville: William, James & Co., 2003, p. 192.
2. Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage. Springfield: Merriam-Webster, 1994, p. 855.
3. Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House, Inc., http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/so (accessed October 18, 2007).
4. Lynch, J. "Wasted Words," Lynch Guide to Grammar, http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/w.html#wasted (accessed October 18, 2007).
5. Garner, B. Garner's Modern American Usage. Oxford: Oxford University Press. 2003, p. 816.
6. "Very Long Titles," The Chicago Manual of Style, Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 2006, section 17.62. http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org (accessed October 18, 2007).
7. "Very Wide Tables," The Chicago Manual of Style, Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 2006, section 13.59. http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org (accessed October 18, 2007).
8. "Very Large Numbers," The Chicago Manual of Style, Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 2006, section 9.10. http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org (accessed October 18, 2007).

Comments (15) for Misusing “So” and “Very”  |  Subscribe to Comment

erika Says:
6/5/2008 6:24:24 PM
if i'm not mistaken i think you misspelled the word "banished". other than that this is very helpful.
Louise Says:
2/17/2008 12:54:03 PM
I often use "Thank you so much" rather than "Thank you very much" in e-mails once I have e-mailed the person a couple of times (including if it's a somewhat formal relationship). I know that "Thank you very much" is generally considered better, but it sounds so cold to me, and when I want the person to know I really mean it, I tend to use "so" instead. What are your thoughts on this?
Mark Says:
2/5/2008 1:15:59 PM
Fox News seems to use "the very latest" a lot. Does this fall into the Modifying Absolutes area?
ty Says:
11/22/2007 5:32:56 AM
hi i'm from indonesia, i'm still learning to speak english.thanks it's very helpful.
emily Says:
10/31/2007 1:18:36 AM
Thanks for the post! It is so v-e-r-y helpful! :D
1222 Says:
10/29/2007 2:46:25 PM
very nice
Izzy Says:
10/24/2007 1:41:59 PM
So very very interesting. Thanks much. If you would like more fun with grammar, I lurve http://actuallyhome.blogspot.com
Grammar Girl Says:
10/24/2007 12:51:00 PM
Hi, Alex. Episode 13 is about subjunctive verbs: http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/subjunctive.aspx
Alex Says:
10/24/2007 10:05:17 AM
Question: Listening to a favorite singer, Grace Potter, I heard a track entitled "If I was from Paris." It struck me as incorrect. My wife and I discussed the topic in the context of the subjunctive case. I'm nearly certain that the phrase ought to be, "If I were from Paris." But, I don't know why that's the case. Grammar Girl, could you give us a lesson on the subjunctive? Thanks. Incidentally, Grace Potter is actually from Vermont.
Alissandra Rocha Says:
10/24/2007 10:00:43 AM
Thanks!!! I'm an English teacher here in Brazil, and I always had a hard time with these words.
Isidra Says:
10/23/2007 5:50:57 PM
Thanks! So, I wish you had talked about the use of the word "so" at the beginning of the sentence!
Grammar Girl Says:
10/23/2007 12:21:37 AM
I'll put "Behind the Grammar" on iTunes in a couple of weeks. I need to make a logo (or at least something that resembles a logo) and get the show some kind of website. The show is in the experimental stage right now. Maybe I should call it "Behind the Grammar -- Beta."
--Deb Says:
10/22/2007 9:41:21 PM
My "problem" word? I use "really" far too often. In casual writing, I just can't help myself (grin).
somebody Says:
10/20/2007 6:17:40 PM
can you put behind the grammar in itunes? other 'n that, a great episode!
johanna Says:
10/19/2007 1:06:10 PM
That was like sooooooooooo very helpful. Thank you!!

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