Episode Transcript

Lay Versus Lie
Episode 37: January 19, 2007

Grammar Girl here.

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Today's topic is lay versus lie.

Hey, Grammar Girl. This is Sandy from Southeast Missouri State University in Cape Girardeau, Missouri. I normally consider myself a pretty good writer, but I cannot seem to remember the rules that tell you when to use lie versus lay. Can you help me out with that? Is there an easy way to remember that?


In fact, more than 20 different listeners have asked me to help them remember when to use lay and when to use lie, and I'm sorry it took so long. There's an easy part and a hard part to this answer.

First, we'll do the easy part, which is the present tense...

If you exclude the meaning "to tell an untruth" and just focus on the setting/reclining meaning of lay and lie, then the important distinction is that lay requires a direct object and lie does not. So you lie down on the sofa (no direct object), but you lay the book down on the table (the book is the direct object).

This is in the present tense, where you are talking about doing something now: you lie down on the sofa, and you lay down a book.

There are a bunch of ways to remember this part.

The way I remember is to think of the phrase lay it on me. You're laying something (it, the direct object) on me. It's a catchy, dorky, 1970s kind of phrase, so I can remember it and remember that it is correct.

What's that I hear, music in the background? I know I don't normally play music, but I love Eric Clapton, and his song Lay Down Sally can actually help you remember the difference between lay and lie... [record screeching sound] because he's wrong.

To say “lay down Sally” would imply that someone should grab Sally and lay her down. If he wanted Sally to rest in his arms on her own, the correct line would be “lie down Sally.”

We don't have to judge Clapton on his grammar; we can still love his music and at the same time know that it's grammatically incorrect! In fact, that helps us remember, and we can love him more.

If you're more of a Bob Dylan fan, you can remember that "Lay Lady Lay" is also wrong. The lyrics should be “Lie lady lie, lie across my big brass bed.”

OK, so that was the present tense. It's pretty easy; you lay something down, people lie down by themselves, and Eric Clapton can help us remember.

But then everything goes all haywire, because lay is the past tense of lie. It's a total nightmare! I tried and tried to come up with a mnemonic for this, but I couldn't do it. Instead, I've made a table that you can print out from the website and tape up over your desk or in your notebook, because you just have to memorize this or look it up every time.

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I'm going to tell you the words now, but if all goes as planned, I will also embed the table image into the podcast so that it will also show up as the album art for this episode, and you can follow along either on your computer monitor or on your mp3 player if you have one with a screen. I suppose you can even have the table with you at all times if you don't delete the episode and carry around your mp3 player. That is so cool! I love technology.

So, anyway, here's how to conjugate these two verbs:

The past tense of lie is lay, so

Last week, Steve lay down on the floor.
The cat lay in the mud after it rained yesterday.

The past tense of lay is laid, so

Last week, I laid the TPS report on your desk.
Mary forcefully laid her ring on the table.

The past participle of lie is lain, so

Steve has lain on the floor for days.
The cat has lain in the mud for hours.

The past participle of lay is laid, so

I have laid the TPS report on your desk.
Mary has forcefully laid her ring on the table.

Don't feel bad if you can't remember these right away. Practice will help, and truthfully, I still have to look them up every time I use them. It's just important to know what you know, and what you don't know, and to go to the trouble to look it up and get it right because these are hard-and-fast rules.

That's all.

Thanks to everyone who "dugg" Grammar Girl at digg.com last week. We haven't made it into the top 15 yet, but the show is listed as an up-and-coming podcast, and I think with a little luck and a little more help we could still make it!

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Finally, a friend told me that January 24 has been designated Hug-a-Writer Day. That's the extent of my knowledge about it, but it seemed like a fun idea so I put a link on the Grammar Girl website to the hug-a-writer site. (www.hugawriter.com)

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Comments (178) for Lay Versus Lie |  Subscribe to Comment

terri Says:
11/14/2009 11:39:10 PM
If I wanted a sentence: "Before the wind lies we should start rebuilding." Would it be lies or lays? Thank you!
Kristina Says:
10/30/2009 4:57:45 PM
You are great keep up the good work
Hans Says:
10/27/2009 12:29:08 PM
My client keeps trying to teach me the difference between lay/lie and I wasn't getting it until now. She wouldn't let me take notes and I wasn't understanding "object". Thanks this helped a lot.
Deb G. Says:
10/16/2009 8:08:41 AM
A cat would NEVER lie down in the mud! A dog would!
Gernan Magculang Says:
10/12/2009 1:00:19 PM
No comment..Im eteresting about English grammar.
Bob Gray Says:
9/28/2009 5:08:51 PM
Thanks so much for the lay/lie explanation. What caused me to check? I had trouble translating a rant from my friend in Russia. She was bemoaning the misuse of lay/lie in her own language!! Very good website and thanks again.
Eric Says:
9/24/2009 5:18:23 PM
So an animal will lay down, rather than lie down? Now I'm confused. Are there exceptions to the rule about objects?<gr> ------ About 100 year ago, students in the State Normal School were taught, "Animals and objects lay, people lie." ROLF! Oh! GG! The anti-spam code ... it says something if it is read as standard microbiology short hand. FUNNY!
Eric Says:
9/24/2009 5:14:45 PM
Is the following correct? Lucy didn't lie about where she laid the book. Lucy laid the book down before she lay on the couch.
Sue Says:
8/31/2009 12:58:08 PM
About 100 year ago, students in the State Normal School were taught, "Animals and objects lay, people lie." ROLF! Oh! GG! The anti-spam code ... it says something if it is read as standard microbiology short hand. FUNNY!
Victor Manuel Says:
8/11/2009 6:18:00 PM
I liked this post so much that I will add you to my RSS readers list. This is the kind of informative blogging I can follow.
Jason Lee Says:
8/1/2009 9:05:27 PM
And so she woke up Woke up from where she was Lying still...
Keezu Says:
7/20/2009 10:38:28 PM
This is indeed very helpful. Lol kinda made my moment, too. :) Thank you so much.
RunDMT Says:
7/8/2009 8:54:32 PM
I always have such trouble remembering lay or lie. This has been so helpful! Thank you!!!
Terry Hollis Says:
7/4/2009 12:02:04 PM
OK! Lay down Sally. How about Bob Dylan and "Lay Lady Lay" Thank You
dan Says:
6/28/2009 12:57:41 PM
Can ANYONE finally resolve the SNOW PATROL issue? If I lay here If I just lay here Would you lie with me Is this right or wrong? Grammarians all over the web have been debating it for years. Does the subjunctive issue make 'lay' correct in the first two lines? Should the 'would' be 'will'?
T.H. Says:
6/11/2009 4:20:41 AM
Good explanation. However, I think you're examples are wrong. I guess Clapton and Dylan actually intend to lay a girl down. I won't be to explicit here, for more clearance listen to Jack Johnson's 'Girl I Wanna Lay You Down', which is quite self-explanatory.
Pat Says:
6/4/2009 9:06:06 AM
Thanks for the perspective here. It is certainly helpful. Consider the following regarding an example(The cat lay in the mud after it rained yesterday.)provided above. It seems appropriate to consider the cat's actions to be either present or past given the syntax of the sentence. Certainly "yesterday" defines when it rained but not necessarily when the cat made its decision.
ricky Says:
5/23/2009 11:25:22 AM
thanks! that little table helped...english is such a crazy language!
Brian Says:
5/1/2009 3:46:41 PM
I just came up with this one: Something rests: lie To rest something: lay Something had rested: lay To have rested something: laid Yow! Take that "Grammar Girl," if that is your real name. www.readthomas.com -B.
ellalively Says:
4/20/2009 5:35:14 PM
it still makes no sense do you think you could do more examples???!!!???
laney Says:
4/8/2009 4:15:55 PM
I don't get it.
Kamilia Says:
4/5/2009 1:56:58 AM
Great. Now i can say thank you!. I am from Estonia and learning to read in English, give please true I wrote the following sentence: "Is the price of an airline ticket getting in the way of your next vacation? Hotels and resorts sometimes offer deeply discounted rates to locations." Thanks for the help :P, Kamilia.
Sonia Preiser Says:
3/19/2009 8:18:08 PM
Thanks for the info.
finns Says:
3/17/2009 4:12:38 PM
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njitaliana Says:
3/16/2009 4:56:14 PM
The college entrance sample test says E is correct. Do you understand why E is correct? Why is A wrong? San Francisco lays southwest of Sacramento. A. lays southwest B. has laid southwest C. is lying southwest D. lain southwest E. laid southwest
Betty Says:
3/13/2009 1:59:53 PM
Are you lying in bed or laying in bed?
Betty Says:
3/13/2009 1:59:09 PM
Are you lying in bed or laying in bed?
barbara Says:
2/27/2009 12:37:13 PM
Here's a thought... Lay needs help to happen.. For something to be "laid", it needs "aid"! So, the past tense and past participle of lay must have some "aid". Thus, laid rather than lain. Make sense?
Chuck(ilovetoast) Says:
2/4/2009 12:27:05 AM
well grammar girl, I am doing a report on this little subject, and I STILL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS! This is all just a big little jumble inside my big little head. And now I am completely lost in this big little world. humph. Hey, you're probably a really nice person! I just can't understand this. I am not very fond of the words "lie" and "lay"
NoCalCraig Says:
1/21/2009 7:48:03 PM
My mother says, chickens lay, humans lie, and laid is something else altogether.
Andrea S. Says:
1/20/2009 4:04:57 PM
I found this page while preparing for journalism school admissions exams. "Lay it on me" saved the day. Thanks!
Stephanie Says:
1/18/2009 10:02:30 AM
I was told to subscribe to your pod cast as part of an English class I am taking this semester. I enjoyed what I was hearing until I heard one of my own pet peeves. The use of the word "and" in connection with numbers. The number 2856 would be said two thousand eight hundred fifty-six, not two thousand eight hundred and fifty-six. The use of the word "and" implies a decimal point, thus making the number 2800.56 instead.
Joe Glover Says:
11/24/2008 6:33:05 PM
I've just run into a problem for my writing class. Is it what lies in the future or what lays in the future. The text book says lays in the future, but that sounds wrong to me.
jeffrey Says:
10/27/2008 2:34:01 AM
this site helps me on my cornell notes
action kate Says:
9/23/2008 3:11:43 PM
I had a managing editor once remark that the reference desk of the New York Public Library used to answer this question with "The only way one can 'lay down' is to have carnal relations with a duck." I've never mixed them up since hearing that...
Brad Says:
9/23/2008 2:31:20 AM
To: Albert (1/15/2008) "There are a lot of confused people out there. Would anyone prefer 'There is a lot of confused people out there', since 'a lot' is singular?" -The phrase "a lot of" is grammatically called a determiner. A determiner is used in front of a noun to indicate whether you are referring to something specific or something of a particular type. It is also used to determine cases of plurality. In this case "a lot of" is used with plural nouns; therefore, it should be treated plurally. Well... that's according to AskOxford.com
Amanda Says:
8/28/2008 5:49:16 PM
Albert, I'd be happy to explain it further if you were interested. While it was difficult to explain what I was thinking, it's helped me remember - and I guess that's all that matters.
Kristen Says:
8/15/2008 8:44:05 AM
that versus which
Janet Says:
8/13/2008 2:26:26 AM
Dear Grammar Girl, I stumbled upon your website in an effort to reassure myself that I have used the proper tense of the word "lay" in a novel I'm writing. Girl, I'm no spring chicken having been out of school a very long time. I was excited to read you are located in Missouri. My home state and the setting for the early portion of my book. I've read the information listed and am still not sure if I have it right. The book is written entirely in a first person narrative style. Telling a woman's story all AFTER the fact. I've stared at this "lay/lie bugaboo" intil I'm blue in the face. If you can, I'd like your opinion. "I shuddered in anticipation imagining the joys that may lay ahead and then..." (A couple more lines of story blah, blah) "I lay still a moment and listened." Thanks for your time and attention from yet another aspiring, "need a hug" writer.
Donna Says:
7/24/2008 7:29:28 PM
HELP, please?! When writiing about dedication to service in a particular vocation, is it correct to refer to a "love of people" or a "love for people" ??
Carla Says:
7/23/2008 8:17:33 PM
I am interested to read that saying "lie down" is correct and not "lay down". I have always said "lie down", but my niece, who is in the gifted program at school (meaning she takes advanced placement classes) told me I was wrong. She said her teacher said it was "lay down". I have also noticed that in books I read by British authors, they tend to use "lay down" as opposed to "lie down". I am curious to know if in the UK it is considered correct grammer to say it that way? I have read this too often from really good authors to believe they would use incorrect grammer. I have not had the opportunity to ask my niece if her teacher is from the UK. Thanks.
romy Says:
7/14/2008 7:37:17 AM
being said that lay(lay-laid-laid) is transitive verb and lie(lie-lay-lain) is intransitive verb, it's also good to know that the past participle form of the former is the only one used in the passive voice. thus, if you see lie or any of its form in a sentence, you don't need to think of trasforming the sentence into passive voice. remember: transitive verb for passive voice.
che Says:
7/8/2008 1:28:21 PM
someone named Grammar Girl dispenses advice such as: "there are a bunch of ways ..." ???
Ryan Says:
6/16/2008 3:50:59 PM
Thanks a ton. Brilliant Tip!
Gary Helfeldt Says:
5/24/2008 6:55:58 PM
"Words differently arranged have different meanings, and meanings differently arranged have a different effect." -Blaise Pascal
prankmonkey J Says:
5/12/2008 10:24:17 AM
This is great. What about the classic nursery rhyme, “Now I lay me down to sleep”? Since me has become the object could this be right. Although I could lie down, I don’t know that I could physically lay myself down. Thank you
lisa Says:
5/1/2008 3:06:20 AM
Eric Clapton is referring to his guitar in the song "Lay Down Sally". Sally is the name of his guitar, so I believe he might be correct in his usage.
Nanki Says:
4/27/2008 10:35:35 AM
I have been a fan ever since 1st grade and know i am in 7th! Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Fat Albert Says:
4/1/2008 10:18:56 PM
Hey, hey, hey! It's Fat Albert and I learned grammar.
Mohammad Says:
3/24/2008 4:05:18 AM
This is very difficult and boring. I hope you can elaborate more on this.
Saudi Says:
3/24/2008 4:00:01 AM
wow, that was relatively "easy." I was so afraid to use these couple of verbs in a sentence lest I mess up. But, that's ancient history. Thanks a million time..you're the top "dawg" ^_^
Mohammad Says:
3/24/2008 3:58:16 AM
This is very difficult and boring. I hope you can elaborate more on this.
aardvarkslayer Says:
3/20/2008 8:07:11 PM
Aardvark, You should look up on vs. upon, and try to avoid pretension.
mags Says:
3/5/2008 6:50:56 PM
this is a very boring
Albert Says:
2/25/2008 7:36:13 PM
This thread is still going strong after over a year! But I do wish people would stick to the point and not introduce new topics, as Jaultman has done.[do you use the object or the subject case after the word like? e.g. Just like you or me? Or, Just like you or I?] The answer, Jaultman, is, "Just like you or I" is usually correct, because a verb has been omitted twice. "He is just like you (are) or I (am)." But you should write "They treated him just like you or me," because in full it would be "They treated him just like [they treated] you or me." And, Amanda, What on earth are you on about? Your mnemonic makes no sense to me, sorry. If you have to run through that every time you want to know whether to say "lain" or "laid", you will be speaking very slowly indeed.
Jak Girl Says:
2/13/2008 3:35:25 AM
Thanks for everything. I had a difficult with both words.
jaultman Says:
2/10/2008 1:00:02 PM
do you use the object or the subject case after the word like? e.g. Just like you or me? Or, Just like you or I?
Amanda Says:
2/7/2008 8:24:02 PM
I think I came up with a way to remember the point outlined in your graphic: "PIANO TADD" People (L) I (L) A (Lai)N Objects & Things (L) A (Lai)D (Lai)D Thoughts?
Albert Says:
1/15/2008 7:45:05 PM
I was very pleased to read your exposition on the subject of lay and lie, Grammar Girl. I had begun to think that American English used "lay" transitively and intransitively, since I have never heard an American use "lie" on UK television, or in any song. Most British people get it wrong, and are completely unaware that "lie" exists, except for Northerners like myself. As you have noted, most song-writers, British or American, get it wrong too. The Snow Patrol lyric is a very strange exception. I just know, and I always have known, that you can lay a table, you can lay a hedge, and a hen lays eggs, but you lie down. For Jordan Mannix (1/12/2008) - Two days later the hen laid three eggs. This must be one of the longest threads on this site. There are a lot of confused people out there. Would anyone prefer "There is a lot of confused people out there", since "a lot" is singular? Nobody answered Park (1/20/2007): he seems very confused. I've never heard of the "rule" he's talking about. Nicholas (1/21/2007)is confusing moods and tenses. "Lay, lady, lay" is the imperative mood. [It is still wrong, and should be "Lie, lady, lie"] I don't think that the imperative has any tenses, other than the present. "Lay" is not the imperative of "lie". "Lay, lady, lay" is something that you might say to a hen in the hope of encouraging it (her) to lay an egg. I you gave your hen the name of "Lady", then it would be even better. You could then write: "Lay, Lady, Lay". The verb does not need to have its object stated, but just because you do not state the object does not make the verb intransitive. Apart from a few jokers, most of the comments on this site seem to come from people who are really interested in English, American or otherwise.
jordan mannix Says:
1/12/2008 9:13:26 PM
What about this- Two days later the hen lay/laid/lays three eggs.This confused me to the MAX. Please help me. ~:-O
cashty Says:
1/12/2008 6:02:53 AM
Which dictonay better
Slavandria Says:
11/29/2007 11:34:20 PM
Sally and Mary B...I don't know if anyone has answered your question or if you figured it out but empathetic means to understand another's position or feelings, etc/, i.e. "I am empathetic to her feelings and needs as a single mom." "I empathize with you." Emphatic means to have a strong opinion of something, i.e. "I am emphatic about losing this debate!" "I am emphatic that we cannot be late to the ball!".
Dan F. Says:
11/26/2007 1:40:24 PM
Grammar Girl, I've been a big fan for a long time. I was thrilled to find this page as the first hit on Google when I searched for "lie vs. lay." Thanks for the great explanation. --df
sally Says:
11/12/2007 10:44:16 PM
I always thought that empathic was the only correct adjective to use when referring to personal connection and understanding. The word empathetic, which I was taught as incorrect is used quite often. Is this correct English?
Mary B. Johnston Says:
11/12/2007 12:03:01 PM
Any thoughts on empathetic vs. empathic?
WootWoot Says:
10/22/2007 4:56:28 PM
Grammar Girl, I am still a little confused on lay verses lie. For present tense, how do you know when to use lay or lie?
lin larson Says:
10/16/2007 4:02:00 PM
How about empathetic vs. empathic?
--Deb Says:
10/14/2007 10:49:55 PM
How funny. I was just writing a post about this myself for my own blog and did a quick Google search to make sure that I had my details right before posting it, and there it all was, in black and white. Helpful--and nice illustrations, too!
Andrew Says:
9/28/2007 2:31:28 PM
I usually always mixed up the words i never really thought of the difference until now
Katya Says:
9/11/2007 12:12:51 PM
THANKS grammar girl, I was stuck on this and thanks to Google you provided an incredibly clear explanation.
Grammar Girl Says:
8/27/2007 9:39:51 PM
"Lay Down Sally" is not correct English.

In your example, you would write either "I'm going to lay myself down," (because you are the object of your own action) or "I'm going to lie down," (because you are the subject doing the action).

People may understand what "Lay Down Sally" means in the same way they understand what people mean when others say, "Who do you love?" when they mean "Whom do you love?" But it is not the right word for the job.

It's really a matter of whether you are a descriptivist ("It's what most people say and everyone understands it, so what's the problem?") or a prescriptivist ("Words have precise meaning and language has rules and people should abide by them.").
Michelle Says:
8/26/2007 8:59:18 AM
So, if Lay Down Sally is acceptable.. Is it also acceptable to say "I'm going to lay down for a bit" instead of saying, "I'm going to lay myself down for a bit"?
Jeni Says:
8/14/2007 11:01:13 AM
Hi Grammar Girl,
I have been working my way through the podcasts and have just reached this episode.
This was really useful and I would like to say that I have learnt a great deal whilst listening to your show. My Mum used to say that for an English graduate my grammar was appalling. I am changing that and you are really helping.

Thank you and keep up the brilliant podcasts.

Jeni
(Manchester, UK)
Jessica Says:
7/30/2007 2:01:41 PM
Grammar Girl noted that affect and effect both have noun and verb forms, but explained:

"So most of the time affect with an a is a verb and effect with an e is a noun. There are rare instances where the roles are switched, but this is 'Quick and Dirty' grammar, not comprehensive grammar, and I don't want to confuse you. My impression from your questions is that most people have trouble remembering just the basic rules of when to use these words, so we're going to stick with those, and you'll be right 95% of the time."

She also included on the Web site an explanation of when the roles were reversed for those who were interested.

Grammar Girl also explained that there is no hard and fast rule about how to make a singular noun possessive, that it's a matter of your style guide and that happens to be the way her style guide does it. It's not right or wrong.
aardvark Says:
6/24/2007 11:14:43 PM
aardvark is not sure whether your question is about employment law or grammar.

Assuming you want to know the verb tense and spelling, your sentence would be correct as follows:

If a person is laid off, he will have the option of taking the severance package or the layoff.

Hope this helps. -----
chamberdawn Says:
6/21/2007 8:13:57 PM
OK, help me out with the subjunctive:

If a person is laid (?) off, he will have the option of taking the severance package or the lay-off.
aardvark Says:
6/8/2007 4:33:46 PM
Hi Lor,
While aardvark was snooping around in the lie/lay neck of the woods, he came upon your question.
Keeping in mind that one of the definitions for the verb lie is to recline, the answer to your question is the following:

He spent hours lying on the floor. (reclining)

When aardvark took his puppy to dog training class, he often gave the command, " Udo, lie down."

The dog training instructor would inspect the results of the command, " Lie down," and then say to the class, " I am happy to see that all puppies are lying down. "

Hope this helps.
aardvark is tired now and plans to go lie down.
aardvark Says:
6/8/2007 4:16:30 PM
Hi Shirley,

According to Dictionary.com and the Webster’s Random House Unabridged Dictionary, the answer to your question is the following:

Our interestslie with both the U.S. and Mexico.

The verb lie in this case is a phrasal verb. Lie can be used in a phrase (a group of words with out a subject and predicate). Here are some examples of the verb lie in a phrase, according to Dictionary.Com.

“Lie down
Lie in
Lie to

And your answer:

Lie with To be decided by, dependent on, or up to: The choice lies with you.”

Hope this helps.
Shirley Dickerson Says:
6/8/2007 2:44:28 PM
Is this the correct usage of the word "lay" in the statement below?

Our interests lay with both the U.S. and Mexico.
Lor Says:
5/9/2007 6:58:11 AM
Hey Grammar Girl,

What about lying or laying? As in, "He spent hours laying (lying?) on the floor."

Does this follow the same guidelines (lay for past simple lie = laying), or are neither options?
Grammar Girl Says:
4/29/2007 3:20:54 AM
I talked about "me" versus "myself" in this epiosde: http://grammar.qdnow.com/2007/01/31/myself-grammar.aspx. There's more to say, so I'll probably do another show on the topic in the future.
Eric Says:
4/26/2007 4:29:42 AM
I just discovered your blog when Googling up lay, lie, laid, etc. I was wondering if you have something or will write something on when to use "me" and when to use "myself." I find that there are subtleties around this where either sound appropriate at times.

Thanks for your help!
Francine Says:
4/25/2007 1:35:10 PM
As a young child I remember my grandfather teaching me:

Chickens LAY eggs.

People LIE down.

I remember correcting the grammar of a boy in my first grade class. I doubt he appreciated it. ;~)

I love the Grammar Girl!
Mary Lee McClure Says:
4/24/2007 9:17:22 PM
I am so happy to find out that I haven't lost my marbles. For several years now,it seems that all I hear is everyone using 'lay' for all usages, no matter the meaning. So I'm truly happy to discover that 'lie' is still alive and well, if perhaps losing ground. How can this be? I usually associate with reasonably well edulcated people. I do feel better now, though, in just knowing thatlie still lives!
Gina Says:
4/11/2007 2:52:15 PM
Thanks so much!! you helped me a lot through this whole lay & lie concept. i love grammar girls!! its awesome!!! thanks again! Gina, your biggest fan :)
Nancy Says:
4/10/2007 10:14:24 PM
Thanks for a grea and helpful website.
Joe Says:
4/4/2007 9:44:06 PM
"grammar errors" is as correct as "spelling errors". If you don't think so, please refrain from using the following phrases: (all of which use nouns as adjectives)
BR> kitchen table
can opener
magazine articles

or anything similar
:Grammar Gil Says:
4/4/2007 4:15:12 PM
The "American Heritage Dictionary" says the past tense of the verb "text" is "texted."
Jaylin Says:
4/4/2007 2:58:14 PM
How do you properly use past tense with the word text? For example if I have already texted someone...how do i say that, is it texted or text????
MGL Says:
4/2/2007 3:41:09 PM
BTW, you repeated this rule on Oprah and omitted the fact both words can serve as a noun or as a verb.
Ben Says:
3/27/2007 11:38:13 PM
Amen!
Scarlet Says:
3/27/2007 4:27:45 PM
PM i seen you on the oprah show yesterday. you were pretty good.
Steven Kempe Says:
3/24/2007 7:48:39 PM
Hello Chuck,

Your comments on proper grammer caught my attention. I wonder if grammer girl can help with my spelling?
Daphne Says:
3/9/2007 8:41:29 PM
You aren't the only one who knows how to use lie and lay correctly. There don't seem to be too many of us, though.
erwinkler Says:
3/9/2007 7:28:43 PM
Thanks for covering lie and lay. I had come to realize I was the only one who knew and used them correctly. Even newspapers and magazine think only lay exists today.Do you think there is any hope of bringing back lie as a verb and not just an untruth.
Grace Hearn Says:
3/8/2007 4:39:25 PM
Could you say something about "on" versus "upon," as in "depend on/upon". "I'm depending on you" vs. "It depends upon several things happening." When one uses "on" or "upon." Thanks.
Jason G Says:
3/7/2007 6:06:51 PM
Can there be a definate answer already? I heard that they changed the rule or something give an example of each case that the 's and s' would be used.
Angie Says:
3/6/2007 10:41:48 PM
Please clarify usage of that and which.
Michael Says:
3/5/2007 8:25:32 PM
But laid is the past tense of the transitive verb "lay". Since there is no direct object, the transitive verb is inappropriate here.

"Lay" is the past tense of the intrasitive verb "lie". It seems like proper usage to say, "The cat lay in the mud." This sentence calls for the past tense of the instrasitive verb.

In any case, I'll bet that cat was a mess.
SM Says:
3/5/2007 7:48:48 PM
This is really an overly wordy and unclear explanation. Grammarbook.com provides a much, much briefer explanation, and a much clearer one. To wit: lie is to recline (as in nap); lay is to place or put something; lie is to prevaricate. They have a handy table to show the usage rules.

Also, this sentence is wrong: "The cat lay in the mud after it rained yesterday." Since this is the past tense, it should be "The cat laid..." While occasionally there is a valid reason to mix verb and action agreement, this is definitely not one of them.
Grammar Girl Says:
3/3/2007 7:08:34 PM
I believe "splitting headache" is correct, but I can't find a reference to back up my hunch.
Colin Says:
3/3/2007 4:53:42 AM
Quite simply fantastic.
Monika Says:
3/3/2007 2:32:51 AM
which is correct? spitting headache or splitting
Mark Says:
3/2/2007 10:09:07 PM
In 1987 I completed my honours thesis in Linguistics at Latrobe University in Melbourne, Australia. The title of my thesis. The title of my thesis was "Past reference and the medical interview"
The abstract reads:
This study looks in to the means by which events in the past are referred to in spoken English. More specifically, it is ability of five Egyptian medical graduates whose speech is studied. The intention is to find out whether these five graduates effectively use the full range of past referencing categories discussed in the theory chapter. These categories are the simple past, present perfect and the past perfect. The discussion of these categories shows that the present perfect is the most difficult to master, the concept being treated somewhat differently in Arabic. Arabic uses a particle "qad" having a meaning similar to the English word "already". English shows this distinction in the form of an auxiliary followed by a participle. The meaning of the present perfect is found to be heavily dependent on the context in which it is used, but there is a central element of present relevance associated with it.

The study finds that the Egyptian graduates have difficulty with the perfect. Quite simply they do not use it, or they use it inappropriately. In general the tendency is to use the simple past as a substitute. At the same time, a lack of native-like ability to use the past referencing forms does not appear to be extremely detrimental to the communicative event of a physician-patient consultation. The content of an utterance is more important. Past referencing distinctions can often be determined by taking these factors into account.

Grammar Girl - let me know if you would like to hear more. If possible, email me rather than reply here as I am rather new to blogs and will most likely forget to look.
Ginni Says:
2/25/2007 8:11:49 AM
Wow -- this one still confuses me. Good thing I don't write about laying things down for a living.
Just relax Says:
2/18/2007 9:36:47 PM
Hey, I always heard it as 'Lay it down, Sally'...

And, the quote from CNN was a verbal quote, no? Don't we all use grammar a bit more freely when speaking than when writing?
John Faherty Says:
2/16/2007 7:32:13 PM
Daphne, My name is John Faherty, I am a reporter for a newspaper, The Arizona Republic. Next week, I am writing a story on Grammar Girl. Could you tell me how you found her, and why you listen? For the story, I would need to include your full name, and town. If that is ok with you, please respond. Thanks.
John Faherty Says:
2/16/2007 7:30:26 PM
My name is John Faherty, I am a reporter for a newspaper, The Arizona Republic. Next week, I am writing a story on Grammar Girl. Could you tell me how you found her, and why you listen? For the story, I would need to include your full name, and town. If that is ok with you, please respond. Thanks.
Brian Says:
2/16/2007 5:54:50 PM
Grammar Girl! Could you add the correct gerund forms to the chart as well? Thank you!
Jim Nicol Says:
2/14/2007 9:27:47 PM
Language Tip of the Week http://grammarsnobs.com/tipoftheweek.html
Jim Nicol Says:
2/14/2007 8:27:33 PM
Balancing fluency and accuracy http://tinyurl.com/2nqqdj
tbone Says:
2/2/2007 8:41:30 PM
dear grammar girl,

i used to think you were just a nerd, but now you have referenced clapton and dylan in one podcast !

now i think you're more cool, and i'll listen more frequently

;-)
Anonymous Says:
2/1/2007 12:10:59 AM
opinion has a good feeling today.
Live Oak School 7-2 Hum Says:
1/31/2007 6:13:20 PM
Hello, Grammar Girl! This is the 7th grade Humanities class at Live Oak School in San Francisco. We love your slogan and grammar podcast. Our question to you is: Will you come visit our Humanities class and teach us a grammar lesson? Thanks!
Rona Rosenberg Says:
1/29/2007 9:52:33 PM
Dear Mignon, We at the Pima County Public Library would be most appreciative if you would consent to speak to our staff and to the Tucson public on the pleasures, peculiarities and pitfalls of being "Grammar Girl" I assume that geographically you are quite close (having been described as an "Az. technical writer" in the recent CNN article) My phone number at the Bear Canyon Library is (520) 791-5021. Please contact me at your convenience. Thank you. Rona
sybeet Says:
1/28/2007 5:29:48 PM
Just for clarification, am I correct to say:

"The cat was lying in the sun."
Ritesh Says:
1/28/2007 4:28:17 PM
PM HAHA... zat will be ze day!!
Jim Nicol Says:
1/28/2007 3:41:07 PM
The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility.

As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f". This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where! more komplikated changes are possible.

Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling.

Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away.

By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v".

During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.

Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.

Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas.
Jim Nicol Says:
1/28/2007 3:39:43 PM
don't be silly ppl. perfect grammar holds you back and stunts your growth. Real Grammar is something that is always changing.
Benjamin Says:
1/27/2007 4:32:39 PM
As an English teacher, I was pretty excited to see a grammar podcast ranked #1 on iTunes. Congratulations, and thank you for fighting the good fight.

An additional tip on Lay v. Lie - once you sort out the differences between the present tense forms, I teach my students to remember "Lay-D" ('lady') since the past tense and past participle of 'lay' have a 'd' in them, and those for 'lie' do not. As long as my students do not have a Cockney accent, this works fine. Not a perfect or thorough mnemonic, but it helps.
Michael Murley Says:
1/26/2007 4:21:44 AM
Yes, I think you can. Remember the traditional bedtime prayer, "Now I lay me down to sleep". Of course, it could also be, "Now I lay myself down to sleep". The use and abuse of reflexive pronouns is a whole topic in itself.
Michael Murley Says:
1/26/2007 4:18:14 AM
Hi Jen,

Maybe I'm missing something. Shouldn't it be "I try to lay my head on the desk...". The direct object is "head", so the transitive verb is in order. Am I misunderstanding what you're saying?

Michael
Vijay Says:
1/26/2007 12:05:14 AM
Hey, I just read about your blog last week and have been listening to back episodes today. I'm finding them very useful; I did notice, though, that in your episode covering using dictionary definitions to open papers, you said "There's better ways to do that," which is of course a violation of subject/verb agreement and plurality. I see it both in written and spoken communication, and it tends to bother me almost as much as people writing "should of" and "could of" because "should've" and "could've" sound similar depending on dialect.

Do you think you could do an episode covering the subject-verb agreement and maybe common speech-to-paper mistakes like have -> of. If not on those, then a short style guide on when to write out numbers in numeral vs. alphabetical form (as well as ordinals, etc. as in my use of the word ninth, below)

I'm only 22, and it really seems like people my age don't appreciate the written or spoken word like they should -- especially some of the other engineering students I meet here in Austin, as though an aptitude in math or science excuses you from good writing skills. I really wish Americans in general had better grammar or at least were more conscious of their errors, but I have my parents and a really good ninth grade English & Lit. teacher to thank for my habits (assuming I didn't make too many mistakes here!) Thanks!
KevPod Says:
1/25/2007 3:22:48 AM
Thanks, Mignon. I caught the tail-end of a feature on you on one of the cable news shows.

Good for you!

Now, tackle farther and further, please.
Matt Says:
1/24/2007 9:45:33 PM
Thank you for doing such a great podcast. This podcast quickly made it into my regular listening schedule. I just wanted to mention that one of my college English professors also recommended this podcast in her grammar class.
Harry Abernathy Says:
1/24/2007 8:59:14 PM
Ah, grammar girl, you've misled them a bit. "Effect" is both. It is a noun and a verb. And so is "affect". So, please don't short these two fine words even though they cause so much confusion. Your explanation only increases the mis-understanding. Good luck. Harry Abernathy
Puru Says:
1/24/2007 7:06:34 PM
Just learned about "Grammer Girl" from CNN website yesterday. It is very interesting indeed. I often get struck with the use of prepositions (appropriate) for certain uncommon words, e.g., imperative, confide, connive etc. Where do I find a comprehensive list of words with generally accepted appropriate prepositions? Thank you very much!
Anonymous Says:
1/24/2007 7:02:56 PM
god i hate grammer. should i have placed a comma after god? i could never get past the subjunctive third person singular.
Lisa Says:
1/24/2007 6:22:17 PM
Hi Grammar Girl, I am new member of your audience, I learned about you through the CNN article. I am learning English as a second language and your website is very helpful. However, I have trouble listening to passed episodes. I always get the pickle thing and I am not really sure what to do. Can you help me to understand what to do to listen to the passed episodes?

Thanks I really value and appreciate your work Lisa
LJH Says:
1/23/2007 10:00:05 PM
Also, I would suggest Grammar Girl *not* omit "to lie" as in "to tell an untruth." Its past tense and past participle are easy: I lied and I have lied often.

Whoever above suggested that people lie but things lay is incorrect. After people lay things down on the table, the things are lying (not laying) on the table.
LJH Says:
1/23/2007 9:57:39 PM
Re Philip's guide for when to use an s with an apostrophe for a possessive, take care: "The House of Lords' policy" does not take an s in its possessive *not* because of the syllabification but because the word "lords" is plural. Several cats' kittens (plural possessor), one cat's kittens (singular possessor), and either my friend Cass's kittens or my friend Cass' kittens (singular possessor ending in s).
Cheryl Says:
1/23/2007 6:28:52 PM
too bad. fun isn't an adjective, as you used it at end of lay vs. lie. Fun is a noun. Always. SOmething can be fun but nothing can be a fun activity.
Cindy Says:
1/23/2007 6:14:21 PM
Hmmm. I really don't think "lay" is used as a past tense form all that much anymore. I think popular (mis)usage will replace the past tense "lay" with "laid". Because in all honesty the past tense examples with "lay" simply do not sound right. If this is true for enough people, the language will change, grammar nazis :-) notwithstanding.
Wendy Says:
1/23/2007 6:10:16 PM
Hello! My question has to do with numbers and numerals. I've heard that writers should spell out numbers from one to ten and write the numerals for the rest. I've also been told that it is correct to spell out all numbers under one hundred. Is this simply a difference in style or is there a standard?
Nate F Says:
1/23/2007 4:46:27 PM
'Sneaked' is correct, although for some speakers 'snuck' is the norm. Past participle 'snuck' probably formed out of analogy with irregular pp. 'stuck' (from 'stick') or 'struck' (from 'strike'). There seems to be no difference in meaning btwn. 'sneaked' and 'snuck'.
Nate F Says:
1/23/2007 4:36:10 PM
Wrong. It's an imperative. Clapton is telling *Sally* to lie down. He's not telling Sally to lay st. down. He mistakenly uses the transitive verb "lay" though. It should be "Lie down Sally".
JB Says:
1/23/2007 3:41:57 PM
Is the TPS report a reference to "Office Space"? Love it!
Queryer Says:
1/23/2007 3:24:20 PM
Regardless of one's age or generation, it is hard to forget the admonition, "Chickens lay eggs!"
Philip Says:
1/23/2007 6:33:34 AM
I disagree with your contention that the possessive is better without the added "s". The rule that is logical and should be followed is that if you add a syllable you should add the "s", e.g. Congress's agenda, as opposed to say the House of Lords' agenda.

This is a good, logical rule, and one that is much fairer to the non speaker. Thanks
Shandi Greve Says:
1/23/2007 5:42:23 AM
Hey, Grammar Girl. I wanted to thank you for answering my voicemail message about "lie" versus "lay." Unfortunately, due to my use of voicemail instead of e-mail, my name was posted incorrectly in the transcript. It's written correctly below.

Thanks!

Shandi Greve
Ron Phillips Says:
1/23/2007 12:03:49 AM
I've tried to listen to this both at home at work, but it's playing chipmunk speed in the pickle player.
Daphne Says:
1/22/2007 11:02:50 PM
Sure, the AP style book says to add only the apostrophe. It's all about saving space in print media.
Erin Lemmers Says:
1/22/2007 10:33:04 PM
Congratulations! I saw the CNN article in my Creative Writing class today and I'm very excited for you. I hope the podcast comes to see even more success!
Kaitlyn Says:
1/22/2007 9:24:12 PM
Hey grammar girl, I have trouble with grammar, and often need help. What you are doing is a great help to me. Who knew that a simple thing like, lay vs. lie, could be so difficult!

Thanks again, Kaitlyn
Chris Lowde Says:
1/22/2007 8:56:31 PM
Actually, Eric Clapton is correct in his use of English. The verb that is is using is "lay down", an infinitive, and therefore "lay down Sally" is correct. If it were an instruction using the verb "lay" it should be written "lay Sally down" Isn't English a wonderful language :-), so many ways to say different things with the same words, or the same thing with different words.
Regina Cross Says:
1/22/2007 7:20:12 PM
Thank you Grammar Girl! You have made it possible to convince my coworkers (who have called me "grammar girl" for about 4 months now) that there really are people who care about this stuff beyond just me. Keep it up!
Alan L. Says:
1/22/2007 6:48:47 PM
I saw a response about the general use of 'a' vs. 'an', but one thing that's tripped me up a couple of time was the use of 'a' vs. 'an' in front of words starting with an 'h' -- an honor, a hyena. Are there general rules for these situations?

(I apologize if this question has been asked already; I just didn't see it mentioned before).
Evelyn Smith Says:
1/22/2007 6:46:39 PM
Please discuss when "I wish I were" and "I wish I was" is the proper usage. I've looked everywhere for the information and can't find any rule for it. Thanks
Mary Ought Six Says:
1/22/2007 6:42:24 PM
In regards to the apostrophe 's' that made the news (congratulations), perhaps consider picking up a copy of Strunk & White, the definitive guide to grammar.
Kristi Porter Says:
1/22/2007 6:36:04 PM
Proofreading

Subj: High patrol officers CHECK OUT THE TYPO
Miki Says:
1/22/2007 6:31:36 PM
How's about a lesson on sneaked and snuck. Seems people are using the latter these days and as I recall it's incorrect. Thanks
Dawson Says:
1/22/2007 6:29:24 PM
First, I believe that the spelling of lay is correct in this song due to artistic license which allows you to ignore grammar rules in favor of the rhyming or flow of music in the words. Also, I have always wondered if perhaps the real meaning is actually a sexual reference for intercourse. The more pertinent question is what does Eric Clapton have to say about it? Is it sexual reference or is it artistic license? I don't think that Mr. Clapton is a grammatical boob!
Sue Says:
1/22/2007 6:28:22 PM
I was taught that "lay" as in "lay lady lay" or "lay down Sally" has a sexual meaning.

While we're on the subject of grammar, you were quoted in the CNN article as saying: "I was sitting in a coffee shop one day in Santa Cruz, California, on vacation and editing technical documents, because I work on vacation, and found so many grammar errors and it just hit me that grammar was something that I had expertise in that would lend itself to a short tip-based podcast."

So many grammar errors???? Ugh! If you were really interested in grammar, you should have said: so many grammatical errors
B.Ware Says:
1/22/2007 6:26:55 PM
So if Yoda were to say "Lay down Sally," he could be grammatically correct!
Anne A Says:
1/22/2007 5:32:39 PM
Re affect & effect. when I was an English teach many years ago, I taught that if the student could insert the word "the" (pronounced as "THEE" to help)in front of the questioned word, the correct spelling was "e"ffect
Grammar Girl Says:
1/22/2007 5:32:33 PM
The CNN sidebar was meant to be "quick and dirty" grammar tips. It's unfortunate that they look like definitive rules. I did discuss "affect" as a noun and "effect" as a verb in the podcast I did on the topic: Affect Versus Effect
Daphne Says:
1/22/2007 5:28:06 PM
Yes, I also disagree with the dropping of the s after the apostrophe. If the word is singular, always add the s.

And, it's true that affect can be a noun and effect can be a verb.
Allison Says:
1/22/2007 5:14:28 PM
The quick & dirty answer to this question is: "People lie, things lay." And I would include dogs as people, so I go nuts when I hear a friend of mine say to her dog, "Lay down."
Anoneeemouse Says:
1/22/2007 5:09:04 PM
I learned about ya on CNN, too - congrats Grammar Girl. Rockin' the Information Highway your way - that's cool.

And I AGREE with dropping that s - who needs two ss?! ;-P
Jim Nicol Says:
1/22/2007 4:53:54 PM
Lay Down Sally is not perfect but it is acceptable. If it was perfect it would be Lay Yourself Down Sally. It is understood that efficiency is part of the evolution of language. That means saying the same thing using less words.
Chuck Roche Says:
1/22/2007 4:43:29 PM
So Bob Dylan should have written, "Lie Lady Lie, Lie across my big brass bed."
Amy Gilliam Says:
1/22/2007 4:16:38 PM
Hi there.

In a note unrelated to the above post, I found your website via an article posted on CNN.com regarding your podcast. As an avid supporter of proper grammar, I love the notion behind your project here, but I took serious quarrel with one of the points cited in your "Tips from Grammar Girl" sidebar.

Affect and effect BOTH have noun forms and verb forms. While it is true that affect is more commonly used as a verb, and effect as a noun, it is wholly mistaken to neglect that both words have homonyms falling within the other's presumed part of speech. Psychological affect. To effect change.

Also, I disagree with your dropping of the letter s in "Thomas'."

Thank you.
Steven Chappell Says:
1/22/2007 3:57:36 PM
"Lie" versus "lay" has always been something that plagues me. Thanks for the reminder.

And, congratulations. I just read the CNN story about you on the CNN.com Web site. You're becoming quite the celebrity through this podcast, and I must say, it's quite deserved. However, I do disagree with your sidebar statement that it is OK to split infinitives. My high school English teacher would beat me senseless if I agreed with that statement!

Anyway, thanks again.
Denise Says:
1/22/2007 3:49:05 PM
As a long-time grammar teacher, I would say that "lay" meaning "put" is a verb that is rather old-fashioned whereas "lie" meaning "be" or "recline" is alive and kicking. I believe that the principle parts of "lay" are largely used to test people's knowledge of grammar.
Andi Says:
1/22/2007 3:29:44 PM
You write that effect is noun. However, effect can also be a verb. One can effect a change. As a verb, effect means to cause.
Deirdre B. Says:
1/22/2007 3:25:48 PM
I learned it thus:
To LAY is to PLACE
to LIE is to RECLINE.
Mark Says:
1/22/2007 3:23:48 PM
Ah! I remember having to learn this in the seventh/eighth grade, and I still have no idea how to differentiate between them in normal conversation and writing. Thanks for refreshing my memories of my tormented elementary English years.
Daphne Says:
1/22/2007 12:00:00 AM
Thank you for the clarification, Grammar Girl.
Sarah Says:
1/22/2007 12:00:00 AM
According to the AP style manual, you add only an apostrophe after singular proper names ending in S: Achilles' heel, Jules' seat, Tennessee Williams' plays.
Jen A. Says:
1/21/2007 1:57:54 PM
I know! I'm an English teacher, and I had the radio on for the students on the last day before winter break. That song came on, and as student heard me growl, "It's lie, LIE!"

Oh, and at least for the present tense, I told my students that it's safe to always use the mnemonic, "I try to lie my head on the desk, but I lie and say I was resting my eyes" to remember the present tense, because it works with the other meaning of the word. "I lay a play on the table" works for the direct object end of things.

I emphasize assonance (same vowel sounds) in the mnemonics for musical learners. I also act out the first sentence, and demonstrate the latter with a copy of some Shakespeare for more visual learners.

I can't figure out a good way to figure out the past and past participle, though!
Nicholas Says:
1/21/2007 1:08:29 PM
Dear Grammar Girl, If the imperative of "Lay, Laid, Laid" is used, is it possible to not have a direct object? In the example "Lay Lady Lay", 'lay' cannot be the present tense because it is an order. Therefore, does the rule apply in the imperative and is this phrase therefore using 'lay' as an imperative and 'lady' in the vocative case?
Eric Says:
1/21/2007 11:56:50 AM
Can you say that I lay myself down? Or that he lays himself down?
Kathrin Says:
1/20/2007 4:56:08 PM
I really love this podcast! By now I learned so many things I really remember when I need to, thank you very much! However, when I read the headline this time, I wondered "What`s the problem with that?" Now that I read the comment from IHateToast, I think that it`s because German is my first language. But still, now I KNOW what`s right and what's not instead of making an unconscious decision every time.

So again, thanks for these little "focus on grammar"-episodes!
Jirka Says:
1/20/2007 4:33:15 PM
Hi,
is there a way how to maje the picture larger when playing your podcast in iPod Nano? It shows the picture pretty small.
Park Says:
1/20/2007 10:11:43 AM
'Lay' here seems to be the past tense of 'lie'. The sentence 'if~world?' is an unreal conditional. According to what I know, when you talk about present or future situations in unreal conditionals, you've got to use past tenses in the if-clause, and past tenses of auxiliary verbs which are appropriate to the context. Hope this helps you a bit:)
Lisa Says:
1/19/2007 4:42:06 PM
Even more confusing is if you listen to these lyrics by Snow Patrol (Chasing Cars):

If I lay here
If I just lay here
Would you lie with me and just forget the world?

jean-pierre Says:
1/19/2007 1:40:08 PM
"He lied when he said that the hen had lain to lay an egg."
IHateToast Says:
1/19/2007 6:25:11 AM
liegen und legen.

lie/lay was troublesome until i learned german, but i do have to pause to think of the german to make sure i write the correct english verb. i like to let people think that the pause is my sorting my deep thoughts and not going over lie/lay.

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