Episode Transcript

Lay Versus Lie
Episode 37: January 19, 2007

Grammar Girl here.

Today's topic is lay versus lie.

Hey, Grammar Girl. This is Sandy from Southeast Missouri State University in Cape Girardeau, Missouri. I normally consider myself a pretty good writer, but I cannot seem to remember the rules that tell you when to use lie versus lay. Can you help me out with that? Is there an easy way to remember that?


In fact, more than 20 different listeners have asked me to help them remember when to use lay and when to use lie, and I'm sorry it took so long. There's an easy part and a hard part to this answer.

First, we'll do the easy part, which is the present tense...

If you exclude the meaning "to tell an untruth" and just focus on the setting/reclining meaning of lay and lie, then the important distinction is that lay requires a direct object and lie does not. So you lie down on the sofa (no direct object), but you lay the book down on the table (the book is the direct object).

This is in the present tense, where you are talking about doing something now: you lie down on the sofa, and you lay down a book.

There are a bunch of ways to remember this part.

The way I remember is to think of the phrase lay it on me. You're laying something (it, the direct object) on me. It's a catchy, dorky, 1970s kind of phrase, so I can remember it and remember that it is correct.

What's that I hear, music in the background? I know I don't normally play music, but I love Eric Clapton, and his song Lay Down Sally can actually help you remember the difference between lay and lie... [record screeching sound] because he's wrong.

To say “lay down Sally” would imply that someone should grab Sally and lay her down. If he wanted Sally to rest in his arms on her own, the correct line would be “lie down Sally.”

We don't have to judge Clapton on his grammar; we can still love his music and at the same time know that it's grammatically incorrect! In fact, that helps us remember, and we can love him more.

If you're more of a Bob Dylan fan, you can remember that "Lay Lady Lay" is also wrong. The lyrics should be “Lie lady lie, lie across my big brass bed.”

OK, so that was the present tense. It's pretty easy; you lay something down, people lie down by themselves, and Eric Clapton can help us remember.

But then everything goes all haywire, because lay is the past tense of lie. It's a total nightmare! I tried and tried to come up with a mnemonic for this, but I couldn't do it. Instead, I've made a table that you can print out from the website and tape up over your desk or in your notebook, because you just have to memorize this or look it up every time.

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I'm going to tell you the words now, but if all goes as planned, I will also embed the table image into the podcast so that it will also show up as the album art for this episode, and you can follow along either on your computer monitor or on your mp3 player if you have one with a screen. I suppose you can even have the table with you at all times if you don't delete the episode and carry around your mp3 player. That is so cool! I love technology.

So, anyway, here's how to conjugate these two verbs:

The past tense of lie is lay, so

Last week, Steve lay down on the floor.
The cat lay in the mud after it rained yesterday.

The past tense of lay is laid, so

Last week, I laid the TPS report on your desk.
Mary forcefully laid her ring on the table.

The past participle of lie is lain, so

Steve has lain on the floor for days.
The cat has lain in the mud for hours.

The past participle of lay is laid, so

I have laid the TPS report on your desk.
Mary has forcefully laid her ring on the table.

Don't feel bad if you can't remember these right away. Practice will help, and truthfully, I still have to look them up every time I use them. It's just important to know what you know, and what you don't know, and to go to the trouble to look it up and get it right because these are hard-and-fast rules.

That's all.

Thanks to everyone who "dugg" Grammar Girl at digg.com last week. We haven't made it into the top 15 yet, but the show is listed as an up-and-coming podcast, and I think with a little luck and a little more help we could still make it!

This week's book winner is Cade, a recent communications design graduate who was entered into the giveaway when he posted a message on the blog. Congratulations, Cade, and please check your e-mail for instructions. You have won Vocabulary Dictionary and Workbook: 2856 Words You Must Know by Mark Phillips.

Finally, a friend told me that January 24 has been designated Hug-a-Writer Day. That's the extent of my knowledge about it, but it seemed like a fun idea so I put a link on the Grammar Girl website to the hug-a-writer site. (www.hugawriter.com)

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Comments (134) for Lay Versus Lie |  Subscribe to Comment

prankmonkey J Says:
5/12/2008 10:24:17 AM
This is great. What about the classic nursery rhyme, “Now I lay me down to sleep”? Since me has become the object could this be right. Although I could lie down, I don’t know that I could physically lay myself down. Thank you
dhdfh Says:
5/8/2008 3:31:00 PM
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lisa Says:
5/1/2008 3:06:20 AM
Eric Clapton is referring to his guitar in the song "Lay Down Sally". Sally is the name of his guitar, so I believe he might be correct in his usage.
Nanki Says:
4/27/2008 10:35:35 AM
I have been a fan ever since 1st grade and know i am in 7th! Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Fat Albert Says:
4/1/2008 10:18:56 PM
Hey, hey, hey! It's Fat Albert and I learned grammar.
Mohammad Says:
3/24/2008 4:05:18 AM
This is very difficult and boring. I hope you can elaborate more on this.
Saudi Says:
3/24/2008 4:00:01 AM
wow, that was relatively "easy." I was so afraid to use these couple of verbs in a sentence lest I mess up. But, that's ancient history. Thanks a million time..you're the top "dawg" ^_^
Mohammad Says:
3/24/2008 3:58:16 AM
This is very difficult and boring. I hope you can elaborate more on this.
aardvarkslayer Says:
3/20/2008 8:07:11 PM
Aardvark, You should look up on vs. upon, and try to avoid pretension.
mags Says:
3/5/2008 6:50:56 PM
this is a very boring
Albert Says:
2/25/2008 7:36:13 PM
This thread is still going strong after over a year! But I do wish people would stick to the point and not introduce new topics, as Jaultman has done.[do you use the object or the subject case after the word like? e.g. Just like you or me? Or, Just like you or I?] The answer, Jaultman, is, "Just like you or I" is usually correct, because a verb has been omitted twice. "He is just like you (are) or I (am)." But you should write "They treated him just like you or me," because in full it would be "They treated him just like [they treated] you or me." And, Amanda, What on earth are you on about? Your mnemonic makes no sense to me, sorry. If you have to run through that every time you want to know whether to say "lain" or "laid", you will be speaking very slowly indeed.
Jak Girl Says:
2/13/2008 3:35:25 AM
Thanks for everything. I had a difficult with both words.
jaultman Says:
2/10/2008 1:00:02 PM
do you use the object or the subject case after the word like? e.g. Just like you or me? Or, Just like you or I?
Amanda Says:
2/7/2008 8:24:02 PM
I think I came up with a way to remember the point outlined in your graphic: "PIANO TADD" People (L) I (L) A (Lai)N Objects & Things (L) A (Lai)D (Lai)D Thoughts?
Albert Says:
1/15/2008 7:45:05 PM
I was very pleased to read your exposition on the subject of lay and lie, Grammar Girl. I had begun to think that American English used "lay" transitively and intransitively, since I have never heard an American use "lie" on UK television, or in any song. Most British people get it wrong, and are completely unaware that "lie" exists, except for Northerners like myself. As you have noted, most song-writers, British or American, get it wrong too. The Snow Patrol lyric is a very strange exception. I just know, and I always have known, that you can lay a table, you can lay a hedge, and a hen lays eggs, but you lie down. For Jordan Mannix (1/12/2008) - Two days later the hen laid three eggs. This must be one of the longest threads on this site. There are a lot of confused people out there. Would anyone prefer "There is a lot of confused people out there", since "a lot" is singular? Nobody answered Park (1/20/2007): he seems very confused. I've never heard of the "rule" he's talking about. Nicholas (1/21/2007)is confusing moods and tenses. "Lay, lady, lay" is the imperative mood. [It is still wrong, and should be "Lie, lady, lie"] I don't think that the imperative has any tenses, other than the present. "Lay" is not the imperative of "lie". "Lay, lady, lay" is something that you might say to a hen in the hope of encouraging it (her) to lay an egg. I you gave your hen the name of "Lady", then it would be even better. You could then write: "Lay, Lady, Lay". The verb does not need to have its object stated, but just because you do not state the object does not make the verb intransitive. Apart from a few jokers, most of the comments on this site seem to come from people who are really interested in English, American or otherwise.
jordan mannix Says:
1/12/2008 9:13:26 PM
What about this- Two days later the hen lay/laid/lays three eggs.This confused me to the MAX. Please help me. ~:-O
cashty Says:
1/12/2008 6:02:53 AM
Which dictonay better
Slavandria Says:
11/29/2007 11:34:20 PM
Sally and Mary B...I don't know if anyone has answered your question or if you figured it out but empathetic means to understand another's position or feelings, etc/, i.e. "I am empathetic to her feelings and needs as a single mom." "I empathize with you." Emphatic means to have a strong opinion of something, i.e. "I am emphatic about losing this debate!" "I am emphatic that we cannot be late to the ball!".
Dan F. Says:
11/26/2007 1:40:24 PM
Grammar Girl, I've been a big fan for a long time. I was thrilled to find this page as the first hit on Google when I searched for "lie vs. lay." Thanks for the great explanation. --df
sally Says:
11/12/2007 10:44:16 PM
I always thought that empathic was the only correct adjective to use when referring to personal connection and understanding. The word empathetic, which I was taught as incorrect is used quite often. Is this correct English?
Mary B. Johnston Says:
11/12/2007 12:03:01 PM
Any thoughts on empathetic vs. empathic?
WootWoot Says:
10/22/2007 4:56:28 PM
Grammar Girl, I am still a little confused on lay verses lie. For present tense, how do you know when to use lay or lie?
lin larson Says:
10/16/2007 4:02:00 PM
How about empathetic vs. empathic?
--Deb Says:
10/14/2007 10:49:55 PM
How funny. I was just writing a post about this myself for my own blog and did a quick Google search to make sure that I had my details right before posting it, and there it all was, in black and white. Helpful--and nice illustrations, too!
Andrew Says:
9/28/2007 2:31:28 PM
I usually always mixed up the words i never really thought of the difference until now
Katya Says:
9/11/2007 12:12:51 PM
THANKS grammar girl, I was stuck on this and thanks to Google you provided an incredibly clear explanation.
Grammar Girl Says:
8/27/2007 9:39:51 PM
"Lay Down Sally" is not correct English.

In your example, you would write either "I'm going to lay myself down," (because you are the object of your own action) or "I'm going to lie down," (because you are the subject doing the action).

People may understand what "Lay Down Sally" means in the same way they understand what people mean when others say, "Who do you love?" when they mean "Whom do you love?" But it is not the right word for the job.

It's really a matter of whether you are a descriptivist ("It's what most people say and everyone understands it, so what's the problem?") or a prescriptivist ("Words have precise meaning and language has rules and people should abide by them.").
Michelle Says:
8/26/2007 8:59:18 AM
So, if Lay Down Sally is acceptable.. Is it also acceptable to say "I'm going to lay down for a bit" instead of saying, "I'm going to lay myself down for a bit"?
Jeni Says:
8/14/2007 11:01:13 AM
Hi Grammar Girl,
I have been working my way through the podcasts and have just reached this episode.
This was really useful and I would like to say that I have learnt a great deal whilst listening to your show. My Mum used to say that for an English graduate my grammar was appalling. I am changing that and you are really helping.

Thank you and keep up the brilliant podcasts.

Jeni
(Manchester, UK)
Jessica Says:
7/30/2007 2:01:41 PM
Grammar Girl noted that affect and effect both have noun and verb forms, but explained:

"So most of the time affect with an a is a verb and effect with an e is a noun. There are rare instances where the roles are switched, but this is 'Quick and Dirty' grammar, not comprehensive grammar, and I don't want to confuse you. My impression from your questions is that most people have trouble remembering just the basic rules of when to use these words, so we're going to stick with those, and you'll be right 95% of the time."

She also included on the Web site an explanation of when the roles were reversed for those who were interested.

Grammar Girl also explained that there is no hard and fast rule about how to make a singular noun possessive, that it's a matter of your style guide and that happens to be the way her style guide does it. It's not right or wrong.
aardvark Says:
6/24/2007 11:14:43 PM
aardvark is not sure whether your question is about employment law or grammar.

Assuming you want to know the verb tense and spelling, your sentence would be correct as follows:

If a person is laid off, he will have the option of taking the severance package or the layoff.

Hope this helps. -----
chamberdawn Says:
6/21/2007 8:13:57 PM
OK, help me out with the subjunctive:

If a person is laid (?) off, he will have the option of taking the severance package or the lay-off.
aardvark Says:
6/8/2007 4:33:46 PM
Hi Lor,
While aardvark was snooping around in the lie/lay neck of the woods, he came upon your question.
Keeping in mind that one of the definitions for the verb lie is to recline, the answer to your question is the following:

He spent hours lying on the floor. (reclining)

When aardvark took his puppy to dog training class, he often gave the command, " Udo, lie down."

The dog training instructor would inspect the results of the command, " Lie down," and then say to the class, " I am happy to see that all puppies are lying down. "

Hope this helps.
aardvark is tired now and plans to go lie down.
aardvark Says:
6/8/2007 4:16:30 PM
Hi Shirley,

According to Dictionary.com and the Webster’s Random House Unabridged Dictionary, the answer to your question is the following:

Our interestslie with both the U.S. and Mexico.

The verb lie in this case is a phrasal verb. Lie can be used in a phrase (a group of words with out a subject and predicate). Here are some examples of the verb lie in a phrase, according to Dictionary.Com.

“Lie down
Lie in
Lie to

And your answer:

Lie with To be decided by, dependent on, or up to: The choice lies with you.”

Hope this helps.
Shirley Dickerson Says:
6/8/2007 2:44:28 PM
Is this the correct usage of the word "lay" in the statement below?

Our interests lay with both the U.S. and Mexico.
Lor Says:
5/9/2007 6:58:11 AM
Hey Grammar Girl,

What about lying or laying? As in, "He spent hours laying (lying?) on the floor."

Does this follow the same guidelines (lay for past simple lie = laying), or are neither options?
Grammar Girl Says:
4/29/2007 3:20:54 AM
I talked about "me" versus "myself" in this epiosde: http://grammar.qdnow.com/2007/01/31/myself-grammar.aspx. There's more to say, so I'll probably do another show on the topic in the future.
Eric Says:
4/26/2007 4:29:42 AM
I just discovered your blog when Googling up lay, lie, laid, etc. I was wondering if you have something or will write something on when to use "me" and when to use "myself." I find that there are subtleties around this where either sound appropriate at times.

Thanks for your help!
Francine Says:
4/25/2007 1:35:10 PM
As a young child I remember my grandfather teaching me:

Chickens LAY eggs.

People LIE down.

I remember correcting the grammar of a boy in my first grade class. I doubt he appreciated it. ;~)

I love the Grammar Girl!
Mary Lee McClure Says:
4/24/2007 9:17:22 PM
I am so happy to find out that I haven't lost my marbles. For several years now,it seems that all I hear is everyone using 'lay' for all usages, no matter the meaning. So I'm truly happy to discover that 'lie' is still alive and well, if perhaps losing ground. How can this be? I usually associate with reasonably well edulcated people. I do feel better now, though, in just knowing thatlie still lives!
Gina Says:
4/11/2007 2:52:15 PM
Thanks so much!! you helped me a lot through this whole lay & lie concept. i love grammar girls!! its awesome!!! thanks again! Gina, your biggest fan :)
Nancy Says:
4/10/2007 10:14:24 PM
Thanks for a grea and helpful website.
Joe Says:
4/4/2007 9:44:06 PM
"grammar errors" is as correct as "spelling errors". If you don't think so, please refrain from using the following phrases: (all of which use nouns as adjectives)
BR> kitchen table
can opener
magazine articles

or anything similar
:Grammar Gil Says:
4/4/2007 4:15:12 PM
The "American Heritage Dictionary" says the past tense of the verb "text" is "texted."
Jaylin Says:
4/4/2007 2:58:14 PM
How do you properly use past tense with the word text? For example if I have already texted someone...how do i say that, is it texted or text????
MGL Says:
4/2/2007 3:41:09 PM
BTW, you repeated this rule on Oprah and omitted the fact both words can serve as a noun or as a verb.
Ben Says:
3/27/2007 11:38:13 PM
Amen!
Scarlet Says:
3/27/2007 4:27:45 PM
PM i seen you on the oprah show yesterday. you were pretty good.
Steven Kempe Says:
3/24/2007 7:48:39 PM
Hello Chuck,

Your comments on proper grammer caught my attention. I wonder if grammer girl can help with my spelling?
Daphne Says:
3/9/2007 8:41:29 PM
You aren't the only one who knows how to use lie and lay correctly. There don't seem to be too many of us, though.
erwinkler Says:
3/9/2007 7:28:43 PM
Thanks for covering lie and lay. I had come to realize I was the only one who knew and used them correctly. Even newspapers and magazine think only lay exists today.Do you think there is any hope of bringing back lie as a verb and not just an untruth.
Grace Hearn Says:
3/8/2007 4:39:25 PM
Could you say something about "on" versus "upon," as in "depend on/upon". "I'm depending on you" vs. "It depends upon several things happening." When one uses "on" or "upon." Thanks.
Jason G Says:
3/7/2007 6:06:51 PM
Can there be a definate answer already? I heard that they changed the rule or something give an example of each case that the 's and s' would be used.
Angie Says:
3/6/2007 10:41:48 PM
Please clarify usage of that and which.
Michael Says:
3/5/2007 8:25:32 PM
But laid is the past tense of the transitive verb "lay". Since there is no direct object, the transitive verb is inappropriate here.

"Lay" is the past tense of the intrasitive verb "lie". It seems like proper usage to say, "The cat lay in the mud." This sentence calls for the past tense of the instrasitive verb.

In any case, I'll bet that cat was a mess.