Episode Transcript

“One” Versus “You”
Episode 164: April 03, 2009

Grammar Girl here.

Today's topic is “one” versus “you.” Guest-writer Bonnie Trenga is going to help us determine the best way to talk in general terms about the average person.

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Bonnie says,

If you want to talk about people in general, should you say, “It isn’t good for one to be late all the time,” or “It isn’t good for you to be late all the time”? One who regularly listens to this show does tend to wonder about these things. Yes, it would be logical for you to wonder.

The short answer is that either way is grammatical and acceptable in American English. Both pronouns—“one” and “you”—are what can be called indefinite, impersonal, or generic pronouns (1). But as will be revealed soon, one of these pronouns is more formal than the other, and if you use it too much, you might run the risk of coming across as haughty.

The Pronoun “One”

This segment of the show is going to sound rather formal because we’re going to explain how to use the pronoun “one,” which is much more formal than the pronoun “you.” One uses the pronoun “one” as an impersonal pronoun that stands for the average person or the sort of person one happens to be concerned with: someone in the same class as the speaker, for example (2). When one uses this pronoun, one creates a sense of social superiority. One can imagine high-class snobs saying to one another, “One wouldn’t want to go to that restaurant because then one would have to mix with the riff-raff.” It's not the friendliest way of speaking.

The pronoun “one” also comes with a possessive form—“one’s”—and a reflexive form—“oneself.” One could in clear conscience say or write, “One should be careful around one’s stove to avoid burning oneself,” but then one might sound ridiculous if one said or wrote that. Or one might even be considered “bookish and pedantic” (3). Despite the drawbacks of the pronoun “one,” one may occasionally find oneself using it as a substitute for “I” (4) or for being ironic.

The Pronoun “You”

This brings us to the pronoun “you,” which you’ll soon see gives off a much more relaxed air and sounds much more natural than the pronoun “one.” “You” is the pronoun you should choose most often, assuming you’re not aiming to look down on everyone else. Each time you tune in to this and other Quick and Dirty Tips podcasts, you’ll probably hear the podcaster using the pronoun “you” to mean the average person or listener.

Caveats

When it comes to the object case, there’s no rule that “one” is not allowed, but one guide (5) does recommend that you avoid using “one” as an object because it sounds quite bizarre. Even the strictest grammarian who wished to be formal would balk at this sentence: “When the waiter passes out crumpets to one, one should always thank him.” The “to one” part of the sentence certainly does sound strange.

Another problem that may come up when one uses “one” is that one tends to mix pronouns. One would want to avoid a sentence like “While one is reading, he should always wear his glasses.” That used to be more acceptable, but now that society is more sensitive about gender bias, mixing pronouns, especially in the same sentence, is not advisable (6). You should use generic pronouns consistently throughout.

That solution to the gender-bias problem leads to another possible problem. When you’re speaking or writing more than a few sentences that address the average person, you don’t want to overuse the pronoun “you” (or “one” if you are being super-formal). Your sentences will become monotonous if you use the same pronoun two or three times per sentence for paragraph upon paragraph.

You may find yourself wanting to use passive voice in an effort to avoid overusing the same pronoun. For example, instead of writing “You should bring your books back to your desk,” you could get rid of one “you” by writing, “Your books should be brought back to your desk.” That might be a good strategy to use occasionally to add variety, but paragraph upon paragraph of passive writing won't endear you to your audience. It’s best to use active voice most of the time, so if you’re faced with the problem of monotonous generic pronouns, you’ll have to be creative and come up with other ways to vary your sentence structure.

Summary

So, to sum up, although it’s grammatically acceptable to use “one” as a generic pronoun, you’ll probably want to stick with “you” most of the time. You’ll have to be the judge for your particular sentence. Or if I wanted to sound formal, I’d say, one will have to be the judge of that for oneself.

The Curious Case of the Misplaced Modifier

This podcast was written by Bonnie Trenga, author of The Curious Case of the Misplaced Modifier, who blogs at sentencesleuth.blogspot.com, and I'm Mignon Fogarty, the author of the paperback book Grammar Girl's Quick and Dirty Tips for Better Writing.

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References

1. Burchfield, R. W, ed. The New Fowler’s Modern English Usage. Third edition. New York: Oxford, 1996, pp. 550-51.
2. Burchfield, R. W, ed. The New Fowler’s Modern English Usage. Third edition. New York: Oxford, 1996, pp. 550-51.
3. Burchfield, R. W, ed. The New Fowler’s Modern English Usage. Third edition. New York: Oxford, 1996, pp. 550-51.
4. Garner, B. Garner's Modern English Usage. Oxford: Oxford University Press. 2003, p. 571.
5. American Heritage Guide to Contemporary Usage and Style. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2005, pp. 330-31.
6. Burchfield, R. W, ed. The New Fowler’s Modern English Usage. Third edition. New York: Oxford, 1996, pp. 550-51.

Comments (18) for “One” Versus “You” |  Subscribe to Comment

kathleen Melville Says:
10/4/2009 6:58:04 PM
this is absolutely imperative to all students who must write! and we all know, "We must write" in school.
Elaine Smith Says:
10/3/2009 11:25:21 PM
"You" is frequently incorrect in essays because the writer does not actually mean "you." The test is to decide whether the intended meaning matches the word "you." Otherwise, the writer might decide to reword the sentence to avoid being trapped into using either an inaccurate pronoun or a stuffy pronoun.
joyce hall Says:
9/28/2009 10:34:31 AM
One vs You, How about "we." Often it makes sense to use "we: because the writer is talking about people in general, which includes him or herself. For example, "People don't know how to talk about race. We tend to be afraid of making a mistake." Doesn't that sound natural? I think so.
John from Lorain Says:
6/26/2009 6:53:54 PM
"'While one is reading, he should always wear his glasses.' That used to be more acceptable, but now that society is more sensitive about gender bias, mixing pronouns, especially in the same sentence, is not advisable." This is nonsense! There is no such thing as "gender bias." The quoted sentence always has been, is, and always will be perfectly fine. The vast majority of Americans has NO PROBLEM with that sentence. It is only a minority -- a misguided, ill-educated group (mostly on the east and west coasts), influenced by man-hating radical feminists -- who want to get rid of generic pronouns, such as the "he" and "his" found in that sentence.
Vision Says:
4/16/2009 8:49:21 AM
GG. I've always appreciated a simple thank you. Sometimes the words don't come out properly, I'm sure we've all experienced that one. So thanks for the help.
Grammar Girl Says:
4/10/2009 10:03:54 PM
Thanks for the great reminders that it's important to use "one" when your writing in an academic environment and when you don't want to sound judgmental or make someone feel as if you are talking about them.
Grammar Girl Says:
4/10/2009 10:02:48 PM
Vision, the first sentence is definitely wrong.
Vision Says:
4/10/2009 3:26:36 PM
GG, anyone, I went to a restaurant and I forgot the man's name, so I need your help with this sentence: It had to do something about a president. Or. It had to do with something about a president. Does the first one work?
Vision Says:
4/9/2009 1:52:57 PM
Grammar Girl, I just emailed you but I it my be quicker to receive a response from here. I would like to know if this sentence makes sense: It had to do something about a president. Or It had to do with something about a president. I know the second one works, but does the first one work to?
Richard in NH Says:
4/9/2009 1:51:23 PM
"One uses the pronoun “one” as an impersonal pronoun that stands for the average person or the sort of person one happens to be concerned with..." Given that this line was in the part of the discussion focused on the more formal approach, shouldn't it have been something like "One uses the pronoun 'one' as an impersonal pronoun that stands for the average person or the sort of person with whom one happens to be concerned..."? Now that I've managed to get that off my chest, I must say that, although I just came across this site, I have already sent the link to several friends. This is a treasure!
Diana Diehl Says:
4/9/2009 10:00:05 AM
There is an exception that begs the use of one, despite its stuffy overtones. When writing a warning about inadvisable behaviors in a real-time context to a group of readers, especially immediately after someone has committed a faux pas of some sort, "you" can seem like finger pointing. "You should show up on time if you have signed up" may sound like an admonishment to the particular person rather than a general direction. Using one--or rephrasing completely--sounds less blaming.
Bryce Says:
4/8/2009 12:01:03 AM
I sometimes use "one" when talking about a generic "someone" i.e /one/ must take care not to be overly judgemental. plus I use it to annoy people :)
KatieC Says:
4/7/2009 2:58:03 PM
Ah, but I'd like to point out that "Please bring your books back to your desk" is only acceptable if the speaker is located at "your desk". If the speaker is anywhere else, he or she should say "Please take the books back to your desk."
Emily Says:
4/6/2009 10:19:37 AM
Although Bonnie Trenga makes several good points about the stuffiness of 'one' as a substitute for the general 'you', it is important to remember that 'you' is almost never acceptable in formal or academic writing. 'One' may be too formal for everyday use, but for argumentative essays 'you' is generally incorrect.
Teri Greene Says:
4/4/2009 4:00:57 AM
On some occasions, one has to be careful not to use "you" if the listener might think you're talking specifically about them.
Teri Greene Says:
4/4/2009 4:00:39 AM
On some occasions, one has to be careful not to use "you" if the listener might think you're talking specifically about them.
Rita M. Reali, The Persnickety Proofreader Says:
4/3/2009 11:10:23 PM
Brava! This is precisely what I've been struggling for years to articulate as clearly and concisely as you did here (especially to the folks in my writers' group). As for the return to a desk with books, may I suggest another alternative? "Please bring your books back to your desk." That not only gets rid of the third instance of "you," but it takes care of the inevitable smart aleck who likes to buck authority by ignoring "shoulds" whenever possible.
jemmaskar Says:
4/3/2009 2:31:35 PM
I would like to check out your site,as I am new. Thank you, Janet West moreland

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