Episode Transcript

Threw, Through, Thru
Episode 10: Monday, September 04, 2006

Grammar girl here. For this show, Twilight from the Twilight and Thebes Show called in with a question about homophones:


              Now, here's Twilight:

I'm confused with the word through, [as in] "I looked through this pile of papers." It can't be threw because I'm not throwing the papers. So is it thru? But then whenever I type thru it looks grammatically incorrect for some reason. If you could enlighten me I would much appreciate it.

Homophones
 
Twilight, thanks for your question. You're getting at something that I imagine is difficult for a lot of people and especially for people who are just learning English: homophones. These are words that sound the same, but mean different things. Homophones can be spelled differently--such as threw (t-h-r-e-w) and through (t-h-r-o-u-g-h)--or they can be spelled the same but mean different things--such as fair (f-a-i-r) which can be a noun as in "We went to the state fair" or an adjective as in "He got a fair trial."
 
First of all, you're right to think that threw (t-h-r-e-w) isn't the right word, because it is the past tense of the verb throw, as in, "Let's throw the bums out."
 
 
Through Versus Thru
 
It gets a little more dicey when trying to decide between through (t-h-r-o-u-g-h) and thru (t-h-r-u). I actually didn't think t-h-r-u was a word when I first heard your question, but I looked it up just to be sure and was really surprised to find it in the dictionary, where it is listed as an informal, simplified spelling of the word t-h-r-o-u-g-h.

Wow. So in some informal instances it appears that it is OK to use thru; but I think I'd be remiss if I actually told you to go ahead and use it. My impression is that using the spelling t-h-r-u is kind of equivalent to dotting your i's with little hearts: people will know what you mean, but they'll think you aren't a very serious person. I would definitely stick with the more formal and widely accepted spelling: t-h-r-o-u-g-h.
 
Many people are surprised to learn that finding a word in the dictionary doesn't automatically mean that word is widely accepted by society. You'll find the words thru (t-h-r-u), irregardless, and ain't in many dictionaries, but that doesn't mean you should use them in your cover letters. It just means they are in wide enough use that dictionary makers believe the words must be acknowledged and defined.

There are just a couple of instances I could think of where it might be acceptable to use thru (t-h-r-u). One is in a text message to a friend because, like it or not, the expectations for grammar and spelling in text messages between friends are lower than in other forms of writing. Also, people are probably more likely to accept the informal spelling in places where space is extremely tight, such as on road signs, advertisements, or again, in text messaging.
 
Simplified Spelling Society
 
You Americans out there who are cringing should remember that one of the reasons we have American spellings of words such as theater, honor, and catalog is that luminaries including Noah Webster, Mark Twain, Benjamin Franklin, Andrew Carnegie, and Theodore Roosevelt advocated for simplified spelling, and many of them also supported simplified spellings of words such as though (tho), through (thru), and night (nite), which of course haven't taken on the cloak of wide acceptability. Roosevelt even tried to mandate that government documents use the simple spellings during his presidency. His proposal was ahead of its time and rejected by Congress, but some of his suggested simplifications have become the current standard spellings (1, 2, 3, 4). The British Simplified Spelling Society, which was founded in 1908--two years after Roosevelt's failed attempt to change spelling in America-- still exists, and they often make the news when they protest at the Scripps National Spelling Bee (5).
 
Administrative
 
Thanks again for the question, Twilight, and everyone else remember: if you want to call in with a question, the number is 206-338-GIRL (206-338-4475).
 
That's all. Thanks for listening.
 
References
 
1. "Bee Man Demonstrates at Grand Hyatt." Press Release. May 31, 2006.  (accessed August 12, 2008).
2. Reilly, J.G. "Theodore Roosevelt and Spelling Reform." Homepage of John Reilly. 1998. (accessed August 12, 2008).
3. Brown, A.R. Spelling Reform in Context: A Typology, List & Bibliography of English Spelling Reform Proposals. Simplified Spelling Society: London. October, 1998. (accessed August 12, 2008).
4. "The Simpul Spelling Moovment." The Best of Uncle John's Bathroom Reader Bathroom Reader Press: Ashland, OR. 1995 reprinted at: (accessed August 12, 2008)/
5. Venkataraman, N. "Spelling Reformers Picket Bee, Say 'Enuf Is Enuf',"ABCnews.com. May 30, 2007, (accessed August 12, 2008).
 
Interesting Links
 

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Miguel Says:
11/18/2009 7:53:16 PM
It is my experience that thru is not simply an informal way to spell through. As it pertains to engineering, thru is used in place of through to denote actual physical significance or an actual physical process; while through is used otherwise. ex 1: Through the use of a chemical gradient...ions channel thru the salt bridge... ex 2: I looked through my notes. The water flows thru the pipe. I do not know if this is actually the case but it seems to be my experience. Additionally, even if it is used just as shorthand, it still appears in papers and journals, leading me to the conclusion that it is not exactly informal.
Major Bett Says:
11/2/2009 11:39:13 PM
In 1906, Teddy Roosevelt tried to make *thru and 300 other shorter more phonemic spellings part of the USGPO house style. Congress would not approve funds for any spelling which was not found in an establshed dictionary. Most of the words were already in the Funk & Wagnalls dictionary as variant spellings so this didn't have that much impact on the house style. The new spellings also saved a few 10ths of a cent per word per publication which isn't much but it adds up. There aren't many good reasons for not removing surplus letters and spelling words closer to the way they are spoken. thru-through tho-though ruf-rough However, a few 100 better spellings will not do much to reduce the ambiguity of written English. English always has a number of ways to spell the same sound and you usually have to learn all of them. IPA spelling patterns /'laIt/ = light-lite-lyte-lyt satellite+420 others, acolyte+20 For more discussions on spelling and pronunciation, Goggle "Saundspel"
Wizard Says:
7/12/2009 3:20:57 AM
I am not 100% sure but I think you may have forgotten the word "of" in your sentence above. "They know I'm Grammar Girl at the local bookstore here in Reno and they actually gave me a little grief for buying this book, so maybe the best thing about it being one"-of-"the free options you can get when you sign up at Audible is that you can buy it online--privately!"
Robert Says:
6/26/2009 1:29:15 PM
That was a very good explanation on thru. I have been using thru and through off and on for 40 years and I use them in whatever spelling looked right. Thanks for explaining it.
joyce Says:
6/15/2009 12:22:38 AM
thanks for the informative lesson about thru and through and for easing my confusion. I'll sure be visiting your site more!
Amy Says:
5/28/2009 7:31:22 PM
I don't understand AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Allison Says:
5/19/2009 11:55:09 PM
Hi Grammar Girl, I'm reworking my resume and a friend noted that I'd used "Though" an "By" interchangeably. When should one use one vs the other? thanks! Allison
Dasi Says:
5/8/2009 7:01:13 PM
Grammar Girl! You were reading Twilight and you didn't pick up on the oddity that her name is spelled Stephenie? Oy Vey! Just kidding <^..^>
Diesel Says:
12/3/2008 3:38:23 PM
I just have to comment on the word IRREGARDLESS: Irregardless is a term meaning in spite of or anyway, that has caused controversy since it first appeared in the early twentieth century. It is generally listed in dictionaries as "incorrect" or "nonstandard". The origin of irregardless is not known for certain, but the consensus among references is that it is a blend of irrespective and regardless, both of which are commonly accepted standard English words. By blending these words, an illogical word is created. "Since the prefix ir- means 'not' (as it does with irrespective), and the suffix -less means 'without,' irregardless is a double negative."[1]
Liz Says:
11/26/2008 11:02:52 AM
I know that "Thru" is commonly used in the practice of architecture. In Architecture, notes are always abbreviated or acroynms are used, but "Thru" is used even for city/legal documents and construction drawings.
T Says:
7/23/2008 11:54:55 AM
As an engineer we often use "thru" in text notes on our drawings where physical space on paper and on the computer screen is limited. I personally don't like to use it other than in drawings because it just looks wrong or "elementary shool-ish".
spugbrap Says:
3/11/2008 11:57:57 AM
I've often wondered about thru vs. through, but have never even considered the propriety of nite. I've only ever seen that in informal writing. This entry reminded me of another pair of words that I've been wondering about for some time, though: donut vs. doughnut I always thought doughnut was the formal, proper spelling, and donut was only used for informal purposes (or where space is an issue, like signs). I looked 'donut' up on that dictionary site that Grammar Girl linked to above, though, and apparently doughnut and donut are both equally fine (and tasty!).
here Says:
1/30/2008 4:00:43 AM
ur so bobo!
Discopants Says:
9/14/2007 2:08:57 AM
I'm consider the operation manual for nuclear ICBMs to be a serious publication. In these "thru" is used in the checklists. For example, you may find "If launcher closure door open indications appear, accomplish steps 13 thru 24." Space was not tight in these 1,600 page manuals and I didn't see any hearts dotting i's
Danielle Says:
5/25/2007 6:06:43 AM
week or weak? (a week is 7 days)
Its great = It is great = It's great
Danielle Says:
5/25/2007 6:04:22 AM
Hi Grammar Girl,
I saw you on the Oprah show today and had to check out your website. It's great and will come in very handy for me!
I'm the Editor of my work newsletter and can't stand grammatical errors (of which I see many). My personal pet peeve is "your / you're", with "insure / ensure" and "to / too" coming in a close second.
What are they teaching at school these days?!
Danielle - AUSTRALIA
John Says:
5/9/2007 3:36:28 AM
"thru" dates back to the 14th century. Our modern use is due to the spelling reform movements of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It was used by the Chicago Tribune from 1935 to 1975. It is still used in technical journals.

Merriam-Webster's Concise Guide to English Usage says "Thru has never been less than standard, but it remains a distant second choice in print."
Rick Says:
4/2/2007 7:47:53 PM
I was rather surprised by your lack of research in this entry. I mean, you have the link to the Chicago Manual of Style, and that's the very document, back in 1906, that first proposed simplifying English spelling by spelling 'night' as 'nite' and 'through' as 'thru'. It was an attempt for saving money in printing for journalistic endeavors. (something like .3 cents per letter cost. Therefore 'thru' was a savings of nearly a penny each time it was substituted for 'through') Specifically, the University of Chicago Press. This "Chicago Style" didn't catch on as widely as they'd hoped, but it's still one of the first things a journalism student learns in his first journalism class. The fact that you glossed over this is rather baffling to me.
steve k Says:
3/30/2007 5:41:19 PM
"Thru" as in Mickie D's DriveThru Window or the NY Thruway, seem to have been selected by their owners. We're not responsible. The marketing geniuses who selected these misspellings are. Stick to your own knitting, and stick to "through."
Marce Says:
3/30/2007 4:17:33 PM
Ok is my pet peeve!! Okay.
kortney Says:
3/28/2007 3:45:45 AM
Grammar Girl,
I also saw you on Oprah. This is a great website with very valuable information. I try to use correct grammar, and this site will help!
Thanks,
Kortney
Tatiana Says:
3/28/2007 3:12:48 AM
Could you please confirm - dove / dived. I've heard that both are correct. Could you please confirm?

Thank you,

Tatiana
Tareg Says:
3/27/2007 7:04:51 PM
Hi Grammar girl
Thanks for this great website. I am a bit week when it comes to grammar. I heard about you on the Oprah show, so I decided to check out your site. Its great.
Thanks
Tareg
Peggy Says:
3/27/2007 1:40:19 AM
I am curious about the word "woken" I don't recall that being a word when I was in school (a lot of years ago)
Bill Middleton Says:
11/7/2006 4:40:39 AM
Any regular readers of the Chicago Tribune out there? I seem to remember the Tribune using a few non-standard spellings. "Tho" and "altho" for "though" and "although," "thru" for "through," "clew" for "clue" and maybe "nite" for "night." It was a long time ago. I now live in New Orleans and the Times-Picayune does not use these spellings. I rarely see the Tribune anymore.
Grammar Girl Says:
10/17/2006 12:52:08 AM
Certainly. As I said in the show, "People are probably more likely to accept the informal spelling in places where space is extremely tight, such as on road signs or in advertisements." Nevertheless, from the e-mails I get, I know that it irritates a lot of people to see "cute" spelling in signs like this.
b.p. Says:
10/16/2006 5:48:28 PM
I think that thru can also be used in phrases like "Drive-thru" (e.g. the McDonald's drive-thru)
Grammar Girl Says:
10/4/2006 8:49:30 PM
Thanks Andy,

These are both on my list of future topics!
Andy Says:
10/4/2006 8:26:43 PM
Ok, this is one of my pet peeves. I always thought that using thru, or nite is ok for text messaging, but never in any form of writing. I don't care if they are listed in a dictionary or not. There are a lot of words in the dictionary that probably shouldn't be used in writing (e.g. ain't). I would not expect to see these words in a newspaper article, for example.

But I do wonder on the correct usage of affect vs. effect. Both of these words would be used in any kind of writing (formal or informal). I think that:

How does that affect you?

is correct, and that:

How does that effect you?

is incorrect. The second one seems just as wrong as:

This will help insure that you finish your work on time.

instead of:

This will help ensure that you finish your work on time.

Aaaahhhhh! Homophones suck. Please do an podcast on more of them.

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