Episode Transcript

Who Versus Whom
Episode 44: March 09, 2007

Grammar Girl here.

Today's topic is who versus whom.  I've received three requests from listeners to cover this topic. Here's Noreen:

I just wondered if possibly in one of your episodes you could go through the use of who versus whom. I think that's a common misunderstanding with many people who write.


And an unnamed caller:

Who and whom: that's always a tough one.


And then Jen also asked in an e-mail.

So here we go. The words who and whom are both pronouns. I'll have a quick and dirty trick for you later, but first I want you to actually understand the right way to use these words.

First, to know whether to use who or whom, we need to talk about the difference between subjects and objects because you use who when you are referring to the subject of a clause and whom when you are referring to the object of a clause.

I know: subject and object sound pretty abstract, but it's easy. If we think about people, the subject of the sentence is the person doing something, and the object of the sentence is having something done to them. If I step on Squiggly, then I am the subject and Squiggly is the object.

Still having a hard time remembering? Here's my favorite mnemonic: If I say, "I love you," you are the object of my affection, and you is also the object of the sentence (because I am loving you, making me the subject and you the object). How's that? I love you. You are the object of my affection and my sentence.  It's like a Valentine's Day card and grammar mnemonic all rolled into one.

OK. So you all asked about who versus whom, but what I think you really want to know is just when to use whom, because most people don't go around throwing unneeded whoms into their sentences. So remember, you use whom when you are referring to the object of a sentence. Use whom when you are referring to the object of a sentence.

For example, it is "Whom did you step on?" if you are trying to figure out that I had squished Squiggly. Similarly, it would be "Whom do I love?" because you are asking about the object -- the target of my love. I know, it's shocking, but the Rolling Stones were being grammatically incorrect when they belted out the song "Who Do You Love?" which I think was originally written by Bo Diddley.

So when is it OK to use who? If you were asking about the subject of these sentences, then you would use who. For example, "Who loves you?" and "Who stepped on Squiggly?" In both these cases the one you are asking about is the subject -- the one taking action, not the one being acted upon.

Still too hard to remember? OK, here's the quick and dirty tip. Like whom, the pronoun him ends with m. When you're trying to decide whether to use who or whom, ask yourself if the answer to the question would be he or him. That's the trick: if you can answer the question being asked with him, then use whom, and it's easy to remember because they both end with m. For example, if you trying to ask, "Who (or whom) do you love?" The answer would be "I love him." Him ends with an m, so you know to use whom. But if you are trying to ask, "Who (or whom) stepped on Squiggly?" the answer would be "He stepped on Squiggly." There's no m, so you know to use who. So that's the quick and dirty trick: if you can't remember that you use whom when you are referring to the object of the sentence, just remember that him equals whom.

That's all. As always, this is Grammar Girl. You'll find a transcript of this podcast at QuickAndDirtyTips.com. Remember, if you want to call in with a question, the number is 206-338-GIRL (4475). Send e-mails to feedback@quickanddirtytips.com.


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David Bowman Says:
5/1/2008 4:03:06 PM
We see this error so often that we finally had to add it to our training manual. My favorite example of the correct use of these words comes from Johnny Cochran during the OJ Simpson trial: "Who is kidding whom?"
Jill Cochran Says:
4/8/2008 12:55:32 AM
I love y'all! You rock! Thank you for making my life so much easier. Jill
shoia Says:
4/7/2008 12:21:14 PM
bubbles
Kristin Says:
3/20/2008 2:29:29 AM
"I love you." "Object of my affection." That is perfect in so many ways! I'm not officially a teacher, but I do seem to be the friendly neighborhood grammar guru, so when my friends ask me about things like this, it's nice to have a mnemonic device on hand. THESE are the reasons I love your podcasts so much. Thanks a lot!
kamelia Says:
3/17/2008 5:14:55 AM
i like to get the Audios, wenn i drive ia can hear them. its very helpful thanks grammer girl
Sue Says:
3/15/2008 11:23:14 PM
Thanks a lot, this was very, very helpful!
arny Says:
3/12/2008 4:04:54 AM
this good, could help anybody to understand about Grammar in English. Especially for the trick. I use your trick to teach my students. thanx
Brian Says:
2/13/2008 2:28:55 AM
I can say for the most part that I understand who vs. whom. The problem, however, is me trying to explain it. I'm guessing that your dirty tips doesn't apply in all cases. I've read somewhere how you can rearrange the sentence to determine the answer but I can't seem to find this book. The following is an example in which I know the answer but can't eplain why if someone was to ask: "Everything you always wanted to know about grammar but didn't know who/whom to ask." I beg of you to show me how you would determine the correct word. P.S. This website is amazing.
lesle Says:
2/5/2008 6:09:53 PM
For Who and for Whom Remember this hymn: Use Whom wherever You might have used him. Who did? - He did! Who copied whom? - He copied him! Whose? His! --- I am unable to attribute this ditty; would that I could.
lesle Says:
2/5/2008 6:09:03 PM
For Who and for Whom Remember this hymn: Use Whom wherever You might have used him. Who did? - He did! Who copied whom? - He copied him! Whose? His! --- I am unable to attribute this ditty; would that I could.
Nicki Says:
1/31/2008 9:00:59 PM
I love this page! thank you for helping me with this topic! and thank you to dictionary.com for helping me find this page!!!!
bri Says:
1/17/2008 7:13:11 PM
What is proper usage for 's vs. s' please help
Maxim Adams Says:
1/15/2008 10:33:32 PM
Sometimes the pronoun is both a subject and an object. In that case, "who" is correct. For example, "I saw the man who kicked the dog." The man is the object of what I saw but the subject who kicked the dog.
Laila Says:
1/9/2008 6:35:32 AM
Thank you so much for such a wonderful website which is really very helpful and clearing many common mistakes in English Language, one thing to add here, that I would really Thank Oprah Winfrey for hosting Grammar Girl in her show and let such great and useful information available for every one watching her lovely show. All best of luck :)
Alfie Says:
1/2/2008 5:20:43 AM
Your quick and dirty tip is really useful!
Alex Says:
11/29/2007 6:42:20 PM
This podcast was really interesting. I'd always wondered this, and the quick and dirty trick is really useful.
Vanessa Says:
11/29/2007 10:41:32 AM
Hi Grammar Girl. Thank you so much. It's really helping
Tracy Says:
11/22/2007 9:35:35 AM
Hi, Grammar Girl. Thanks a lot for yor contribution. Could you please tell where can I get the best tips for my basic writing. I ust want to have an additional infoabout writing. Thanks anyway
ellen Says:
11/13/2007 8:19:07 AM
To Chet. And not only that! In the south, they say 'carry' when they mean either take or bring. (geesh)
ellen Says:
11/13/2007 7:57:46 AM
To Randy (in a March post). I think the subject is actually 'there' and verb 'are'. There are what? 'Scientists'!
Tanya Says:
10/24/2007 12:20:13 AM
Your site is easy to understand.
Kevin Tate Says:
10/2/2007 3:25:13 AM
Hi Grammar Girl, I just discovered your site and love it already! Thanks for the tip on who vs. whom.
Henry Howard Says:
3/20/2007 2:49:41 AM
Who vs. Whom any chance you could add the "download now" fuction for this topic?
Randy Crump Says:
3/19/2007 1:27:37 AM
Your podcast is entertaining and informative. However, I think that the reference to The Rolling Stones and "Who Do You Love" should be changed to Quicksilver Messenger Service or George Thorogood.
Billy Brame Says:
3/16/2007 2:19:45 PM
I love the who/whom he/him trick. That is quick and dirty indeed.
Grammar Girl Says:
3/16/2007 5:45:40 AM
Whom" is correct. These web pages have good explanations:

http://www.edufind.com/english/grammar/rel4.cfm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_relative_clauses

Randy Says:
3/16/2007 5:31:13 AM
On who/whom...what about the following example?

"There are 47 scientists at Yale, most of (who/whom) study snails."

It seems like the scientists are the subject, as they're doing the studying. However, "most of who" sounds odd to me.

Help, please!

Kelly Says:
3/15/2007 8:13:51 PM
Hi GrammarGirl, Just the other day I was having a discussion about "take vs. bring" with a friend and decided to ask for your expert opinion. Looks like Chet Brown (comment above) beat me to it! I'm happy to see I'm not the only one interested in hearing more about this. We really enjoy the podcasts; keep up the great work!
Chet Brown Says:
3/14/2007 9:38:58 PM
I just ran across your website and enjoyed your explanation re: who vs whom. I have another "word choice" question for you (I don't see it listed as having been covered so far): The younger generation (I'm 71)) seems to have forgotten the word "take". They use "bring" in all situations.Can you write on this subject?
Rick Says:
3/14/2007 5:55:21 PM
I thought you would get a kick out of this sentence on the AMD (like CPUs) website:

"This package is recommended for users whom desire a graphical user interface for installation. "

And I thought the BIG GUYS had perfect grammar!

Rick
Aud Waitkuss Says:
3/12/2007 9:58:00 PM
What do you think of the new grammar in the following sentences:

It was so fun. (We used to say "It was such fun," or "It was so much fun."

The problem is is that he wasn't home. Why do we suddenly find it necessary to repeat the verb?

Both of these usages have become commonplace in radio and TV reporting, and I fear that no one even notices that there has been a change.

Thanks for trying to make a difference.
Edmund Says:
3/12/2007 8:31:18 PM
Dear Grammar Girl,
I thoroughly enjoy your podcasts that deal with everyday questions that really do matter if one is serious about proper use of the English Language. In your recent podcast (measures etc) you mentioned that you are not really sure why there is no dot after "ft" for "feet". While I am no native English speaker I would like to offer you an explanation that is fairly accepted but not always applied.
If the abreviation is the first and last letter of the word being abreviated you can but need not put a dot after the abreviation. I.e. Dr Miller is ok, so is ft but in is not correct it does have a trailing dot; ave is a good example as well while you would always want to put a dot after ref.
I want to take this opportunity to thank you for all your helpful topics that you choose. And the way you explain the background of whatever you enlarge on is just fun for everyone enjoying English language usage.
I have recently purchased the AP style guide (you mentioned it in one of your podcasts) and I have benefitted from it ever since.
Kind regards, Edmund
Nelle Says:
3/12/2007 2:13:58 PM
I'm an English major, so my boyfriend thought I would be able to teach him the difference between "genius" and "ingenious." I found the definitions, but couldn't quite get a handle on the different uses and meanings. Any help??
Hui Cheng Says:
3/9/2007 9:11:09 PM
Grammar Girl,
Thank you for producing this fascinating podcast. I have learned a lot from it.
I am a graduate student. Scientific writing is very important in my daily life. I am writing my thesis proposal. One thing confused me. In a research proposal, when should I use "we", and when should I use "I"? It is my work. But using "I" seems not quite right.
Thank you!
Hui
Janet E Holmes Says:
3/3/2007 6:33:09 AM
Does anyone really still use "whom" anymore? I don't think Australians do, it would just sound too pompous for words! Maybe I simply haven't noticed, I'll pay more attention from here on in.
Jose Angel Flores Says:
3/3/2007 4:39:56 AM
From Monterrey, Mexico. -----
Grammar Girl Says:
3/1/2007 5:22:34 AM
Squiggly is a beloved snail who makes regular appearances in the podcast examples. Squiggly will actually be participating on the blog very soon.
Jose Angel Flores Says:
2/28/2007 5:26:55 PM
Hi. I love your podcast. I get the point on the Who vs. Whom issue. But your example "I step on Squiggly" what the heck is a "Squiggly"? -----
David Says:
2/27/2007 6:54:03 PM
So you say, from on high. Your refined eloquence as expressed here is every reason why us pompous mortals will endeavor to continue to express ourselves with grace and civility.
Pamela Says:
1/29/2007 4:24:57 PM
Hi Great Grammar Girl, We LOVE your show! Here's my question: Shouldn't all the "Did you knows" out there correctly be stated as "Do you know"? Shouldn't one say, "Do you know that Grammar Girl is a great pod cast?" as opposed to "Did you know"...unless of course we're asking about someone's prior knowledge? Thanks, Pamela (and family) in Los Olivos, California
Scot Says:
1/26/2007 2:09:08 AM
I have to second the notion that "whom" is on its way out. It is a nice rule to know for very formal usage, but as far as I can tell it has become rare in real, everyday conversation. We're slowly getting to the point where using it marks you as a pompous prick, not a careful speaker -- just like running around saying "It is I" sounds strange.
Michael W. George Says:
1/23/2007 3:06:01 AM
Congratulations on a wonderful program. As an English professor, I am concerned with grammar issues. I'm very happy with what you've done, particularly with apostrophes. They are, indeed, a matter of style (as is the serial comma). AP (and I believe APA) recommend omitting the final s after a possessive of a plural noun or a noun that ends with /s/. MLA, on the other hand, dictates adding the s after the apostrophe. Complicated issue, these punctuation rules. I do take exception with your rules for quotation marks. NY Times style dictates that titles get quotation marks. Other styles stipulate that titles of long works (books, magazines, newspapers, albums, etc.) go in italics (or underlined, if you can't do italics), and that smaller items that can appear within these longer items (chapter titles, article titles, songs) go in quotation marks. Regardless, this is a great podcast, and I'm going to alert my students to it!

Best,

Mike
Jason Says:
1/23/2007 12:10:49 AM
Dude - I like could no way agree with yall more! The ways I speak is mine own beezwax! The Grammar Girl might be smart, but she don't got no right to tell me nuthin. I ain't gonna listn!
Dobrovolsky Says:
1/22/2007 11:36:26 PM
Dear Grammar Gilrl - In general, I like what you're doing, especially with the split infinitive issue, but I you're wrong about 'who/whom'. Languages are always changing, and in spoken English, 'whom' is a dinosaur, a dying animal, moribund, on the way out. No authority or academy can stop that. I'd be surprised if even 5% of speakers use it in everyday speech. Speakers of English have voted with their minds and their mouths to dump it, and no harm done; we still understand what "Who do you love?" or "Who did you see" mean. One caveat: in formal writing, magazines, journals, and the like, 'whom' is still frequently required. This is fine; writing is more conservative than speech. But it's way off base to try to convince people that they're 'wrong' for saying 'Who do you love?'. They're not wrong - the language is theirs. That's just the way it is . It's bye, bye to ''whom' in good, educated, everyday speech. Not using it not 'bad grammar'. The change is already in place. -----
Mike Says:
1/22/2007 8:00:22 PM
Grammar Girl,
,
Early in your explaination about when to use "who" or "whom" you said "So you all asked about...". Is "you all" grammatically correct and in what context should it be used or not be used? This phrase and similar others (e.g., "you guys") are common in colloquial speech but they do not seem appropriate when speaking and writing more formally. As an afterthought to what I've written above, what are the hard and fast rules, if any, for placing punctuation before or after the last quotation mark of a quote? I ended my first sentence with a quote that only included the beginning part of one your sentences. I intentionally placed the period outside of the quote to indicate the end of my sentence. However, it has been taught that the punctuation should be inside the quotation mark though it may cause the reader to inappropriately modify the language quoted. Is this a matter of style rather than firm grammatical rules? Michael
Tony Says:
1/19/2007 8:02:39 PM
Could you discuss "Me too," vs "I too." "I too," seems to be the correct grammar.
Kevin Says:
12/30/2006 8:16:01 AM
I just discovered this site and podcast. It's wonderful! But I think you can overdo the tips and tricks. For most situations, the quickest and easiest way to know the answer is not through mnemonics, tips, or tricks; it's just by learning the rules from the bottom up. That way, you only have to know a small number of rules that apply to hundreds of situations, rather than a tip or trick for every situation. The tip or trick should be used for an atypical situation, not for something as basic as knowing that you use the objective case "whom" when it is the object of a preposition, direct object, etc.
Jim Says:
12/29/2006 4:57:52 PM
I'm enjoying your blog and podcast! Your trick for replacing 'whom' with 'him' is a good one as long as the sentence is presented exactly as written when using the substitution. Your tip may not work when considering dialog or conversational writing. In your example "Who (or whom) stepped on Squiggly?", if I answer as the narrator, your tip makes sense. If I answer as a person to whom that question has been asked, however, I might point to the miscreant and exclaim "Him!" Conversationally, that works, but I think it is grammatically dubious, since I could also have said "He did!" Would you consider this to be merely a case of loose conversational grammar? Thanks, and keep up the good work!
Grammar Girl Says:
12/26/2006 5:06:33 PM
"Whom" is the correct spelling whether the object is singular or plural, so there's no need to worry about phonetic pronunciation! GG
Rennie Says:
12/20/2006 10:15:22 PM
Great show Grammar Girl! Along with The Loh Down on Science & Loh Life, its my favorite podcast. With respect to your who/whom conundrum, I thought proper usage of the objective form "whom," when referring to objects in the plural, was to spell as "w h o". If so, does proper pronunciation follow phonetic rules? E.g.: "Sandra Tsing Loh and The Grammar Girl, from who thousands of listeners derive pleasure each week, provide insightful and witty commentary." Thanks for your commitment to good grammar and your listeners! Rennie
Timmie Says:
12/13/2006 7:34:12 PM
Thank you for so eloquently explaining the basics of who vs whom. It's a usage with which I rarely have problems. BUT, how can I easily tell when the object has become the subject of its own clause? It's in those compound sentences where I become lost.
Shaunaq Arora Says:
11/12/2006 10:02:56 PM
I'm addicted to the podcasts - thank you so much for doing them! I have a somewhat related question. Could you please go into the appropriate usage of he/him etc. For example, would you say "I am taller than him" or "I am taller than he is" or "I am taller than he"? I've heard all three in different contexts, and I never know what to use when. Thank you! Shaunaq
Bill Middleton Says:
11/7/2006 4:31:17 AM
I used the he/who him/whom trick in my classes for years. For motivation I used to tell my students that if they could learn to use who/whom correctly in their writing, I could guarantee that they would impress any future English teachers they might have.
Missy Widner Says:
11/6/2006 12:00:00 AM
You are awesome! I love this content.
Dawn Says:
11/2/2006 1:56:43 AM
Excellent job distinguishing between who and whom. The "trick" referring to "him" is one that I will pass on in my classroom for students to remember.
Jeri Says:
10/14/2006 12:25:57 AM
Fascinating! Thank you so much for enlightening us all on who vs. whom. I have always wondered how to use those correctly.
a fan Says:
9/29/2006 10:27:06 AM
A friendly warning: encouraging people to click your Google ads is a direct violation of the Google TOC and can get you banned from the program. It would be a good idea to delete that bit before some mean-spirited blogger who is envious of your success reports you to Google and gets you banned.
a fan Says:
9/29/2006 10:27:06 AM
A friendly warning: encouraging people to click your Google ads is a direct violation of the Google TOC and can get you banned from the program. It would be a good idea to delete that bit before some mean-spirited blogger who is envious of your success reports you to Google and gets you banned.
Grammar Girl Says:
9/26/2006 3:08:06 PM
Thanks David, You're the second person to ask that question this week, so you can be sure that you'll see it as an episode topic soon! GG
David Says:
9/26/2006 2:35:49 PM
Thank you so much for doing this show. This is not really a comment on this topic, but I couldn't find the e-mail link. Could you tell us when it is appropriate, if ever, to refer to yourself as myself. I often hear people say things like, "Call and talk to my wife or myself." It seems like it should be, "Call and talk to my wife or me," but I'm just not sure, but I bet you are. Thanks, david

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